over-zealous police officer

I think the NFL player should have been taken into a back room, had his
head wrapped in a towel, and beaten with a phone book. But that's just me.
 
Probably works part-time at the mall too.
 
I would've just walked into the hospital. The officer would've had to have shot me in the back.
 
I suppose everyone involved was having a bad day.

Powell was acting like a jerk.
 
If I screw up badly on the job, I'm not [-]given extra vacation time[/-] placed on "paid administrative leave." Another example that I picked the wrong line of work and the wrong employers...
 
Maybe one of the retired PD folks on here can chime in. It seemed to me the officer was upset the guy didn't stop. It seemed the officer didn't care what the NFL guy said, he was going to "teach him a lesson"........
 
It seemed the officer didn't care what the NFL guy said, he was going to "teach him a lesson"........

Another guess might be - The police officer was lied to many times in the past, so why believe what a person he sees role through a stop sign now.

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The video doesn't play for me - did it for others?
 
Another guess might be - The police officer was lied to many times in the past, so why believe what a person he sees role through a stop sign now.

Well, I always thought police were trained to find out what was going on. he could have very easily had dispatch call the hospital and verify what was going on in about 2 minutes, but chose not to.

The guy deserved a ticket, but not the extra-curriculars.........:nonono:
 
Looks like the hospital also tried to reason with the cop too to let Moats see his MIL before she died. I think this story is so sad--too bad the police officer didn't err on the other side and hurry the family into the hospital--he would have been lauded for his compassion. From this morning's Trib (I added the bold font):

About midnight March 17, the Moatses received word that they needed to hurry back to the hospital if they wanted to see Collinsworth before she died. The couple, along with Collinsworth's father and an aunt, jumped into the vehicle and headed back toward the hospital. They exited the highway just down the street from the hospital.

Moats turned on his hazard lights. He stopped at a red light, where, he said, the only nearby motorist signaled for him to go ahead. He went through. Powell, watching traffic from a hidden spot, flipped on his lights and sirens. In less than a minute, he caught up to the Moats and followed for about 20 more seconds as Moats found a parking spot outside the emergency room.

Tamishia, 27, was the first out. Powell drew his gun and yelled at her to get back in.

"My mom is dying," she said. Tamishia Moats and her great-aunt ignored the officer and headed into the hospital.

Powell lectured Moats, telling him at one point, "If you want to keep this going, I'll just put you in handcuffs and I'll take you to jail."

Hospital security guards arrived and told Powell that the Moatses' relative really was upstairs dying. Another hospital staffer came out and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived.

"Hey, that's the nurse," the Plano officer told Powell. "She said that the mom's dying right now."

"All right," Powell replied. "I'm almost done."

It had been about 13 minutes.

Moats and Collinsworth's father went into the hospital, where they found Collinsworth had died, with her daughter at her side.

The Dallas chief of police is praising Moats for his behavior and has already dismissed the ticket he received--that should tell us something.
 
I'm with the cop for much of that, as even though that car pulls into the hospital it's still a vehicle that's refusing to stop and he doesn't know for sure what's going on and it certainly isn't a line of work where you can take people's word for granted.

However once it became obvious the occupants of the car weren't a threat and weren't going to just scatter when the chase ended he certainly should have used a little more reason that getting into the power play "I'm in charge" thing. Especially when hospital staff came out and told the cop they had a code blue on that guy's relatives the cop should have turned him loose and handled whatever needed to be handled later.
 
Another guess might be - The police officer was lied to many times in the past, so why believe what a person he sees role through a stop sign now.
My solution: Give the driver the benefit of the doubt and take the driver to the hospital, perhaps with police escort. If it turns out the driver was lying, charge them with a criminal offense.

If they're looking at a criminal record instead of just a ticket, maybe some people would think twice about lying to the police.
 
My solution: Give the driver the benefit of the doubt and take the driver to the hospital, perhaps with police escort. If it turns out the driver was lying, charge them with a criminal offense.

If they're looking at a criminal record instead of just a ticket, maybe some people would think twice about lying to the police.

Felony if you're lying, misdeameanor if you aren't? Isn't obstructing justice a felony?
 
My solution: Give the driver the benefit of the doubt and take the driver to the hospital, perhaps with police escort. If it turns out the driver was lying, charge them with a criminal offense.

If they're looking at a criminal record instead of just a ticket, maybe some people would think twice about lying to the police.

Then would the cop have been in the news for doing so while a bank is being robbed or a child abducted nearby? Should the police now escort everyone who uses an excuse of rushing someplace when breaking the law?

I'm not saying the cop did everything correct in this issue. I'm saying a police officer has a difficult job. From what he knew was that, he saw someone rolling through a stop sign (and then not stopping quickly, many people getting out of car - a possible threat? - I didn't see the video - I'm going off of what others said); being told they were going to the hospital to visit a dying relative. We have the benefit of now knowing what the driver said was true.

This was a traffic stop. A dangerous part of what the police do.

The Associated Press: Mourners for 4 slain officers arrive in Oakland
The 26-year-old parolee accused of killing Dunakin and Hege with an automatic pistol during a traffic stop, then Romans and Sakai with an assault weapon during the ensuing manhunt, also died in a hail of bullets.
 
Did you read the article? The video stunned other police officers.

"Shortly before 9 a.m. Thursday, at the department's weekly crime meeting, many members of the command staff viewed the video for the first time. The reaction was one of disbelief and head shaking, said several who were present."

' "When we in the command staff reviewed the tapes," he said, "we were embarrassed, disappointed – it's hard to find the right words and still be professional in my role as a police chief." '
 
I didn't see the video - I'm going off of what others said); being told they were going to the hospital to visit a dying relative. We have the benefit of now knowing what the driver said was true.

You really should view the video, it's all over the net now. They were AT the hospital in front of the Emergency Room entrance. Pretty clear.
 
' "When we in the command staff reviewed the tapes," he said, "we were embarrassed, disappointed – it's hard to find the right words and still be professional in my role as a police chief." '
Dude would have been SO instantly fired in the private sector, from what I've seen and heard.
 
Dex....

The video is something that allows us to observe and not have to listen to the police officer's version and the 'suspect'...

He was right in following the people... maybe even right in drawing his gun... but I do not think right for pointing it at anyone from what I see in the video...

The man's wife and aunt just left the scene... they were not taking any crap from the guy... if it was me, I would have told him I am leaving now to go to my dying MIL, you can write the ticket, tow the car, follow me up there.. I don't care... but I am going WITHOUT RESISTENCE...

But I am sure the cop would have tased me or tackled me... who knows..

The big problem was the cop was trying to be in charge... telling the man to keep your mouth shut (or something similar)....

At first, I was thinking this should not cost him his job, just a warning.. but the more I think about it, the more I think he is not fit to do the work..
 
Was in a small town where a friend lived. Had DW plus mom and dad in the car. We had just come from church and were all dressed in sunday-go-to-meetin' clothes. Car was actually washed. DW and I in late '30s, mom and dad in early '70s.

I needed gas and recalled there was a station down a certain main drag. As I headed that way, there was a barrier about 1/3 of the way across the road with a sign "Road Closed Ahead". I assumed that meant "local traffic only" which is what I wanted to do. I carefully went around the barrier and sure enough you could travel to all the businesses and houses down that street without a problem. Unfortunately, the road did indeed close (at a RR grade) just before I could have gotten to the gas station. So I turned around. As I got back to the "pinch point", a cop pulled me over.

He didn't ask for license and reg. but started screaming at me. I'm serious. He was SCREAMING at me. "Didn't you see the blankity blank sign!?" He went on for at least a minute. Apparently he couldn't think of anything to charge me with so he let me go, still screaming at me as I pulled away.

This was Sunday at 11AM and there wasn't another car on the street (moving anyway). So I certainly hadn't put a soul in danger. The sign never said not to proceed (though I admit it didn't say "local traffic" either.)

So why this guy thought I'd committed the crime of the century, I have no idea. When folks only meet LEOs in this fashion, it's not surprising they don't always defend cops and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Relating this to the story at hand, technically Moats ran the red light. But BIL retired cop and cop friend have both related that they have ignored red light runners as long as the people stopped, cleared the intersection and then proceeded at a normal speed. Typically this happens at night when stopping is more dangerous than proceeding in some areas. SO, it is discretionary. Also related by BIL/friend - other than speed traps or aggressive driving, most traffic stops are made because of a hunch (don't call it profiling, heh, heh) that the LEO has. BIL and friend both related that they can stop any car within 3 blocks with a "legitimate" excuse. A wire hanging from the car, a turn light that doesn't appear to be quite bright enough, the list goes on.

Once the stop was made, pulling a gun on a (probably well dressed) family isn't the same as pulling a gun on a couple of gang-banger-wannabes who bolt from a car.

The officer is trained to be in control. I get it. But a little discretion is also part of the training - isn't it? Any LEOs care to comment?
 
The worst part about this IMHO is that if the guy hadn't been an NFL player there wouldn't be any significant outcry, and the cop certainly wouldn't be on administrative leave. At least nothing serious came of this one, other than a sad story for the player. This situation at least can be a learning exercise for other cops with no one having to have been tased or shot. I don't think the cop should be fired, but he should have the notation on his jacket and have to go on to an excellent career in order to be promoted. A sad situation, with bad judgement.
 
The worst part about this IMHO is that if the guy hadn't been an NFL player there wouldn't be any significant outcry, and the cop certainly wouldn't be on administrative leave. At least nothing serious came of this one, other than a sad story for the player. This situation at least can be a learning exercise for other cops with no one having to have been tased or shot. I don't think the cop should be fired, but he should have the notation on his jacket and have to go on to an excellent career in order to be promoted. A sad situation, with bad judgement.

It seems to have been awhile for the story to have gotten out, and the guy never said he was an NFL player at the time... so I do not agree with you... this would have come out no matter who was on the receiving end... at least if someone had complained about it...
 
Very very sad story indeed. I cannot imagine how this guy could keep his cool (as much as he did) while his mother-in-law was on her death bed and the officer not listening to a single word he was saying. (I probably would have lost it myself.) I got pretty upset when I saw that the officer was still trying to finish up the ticket when the nurses came out to convey to him that the patient was in fact dying and has already blue coded three times. It is really sad that his MIL expired before he had a chance to say goodbye. From the video throughout, you can see that the officer never seemed to comprehend the situation or show any compassion.

Like Dex said, it could have been another semi automatic weapon shooting in Oakland but if you watch the first minute of the video, I believe it is quite evident that the officer determined there was no physical danger (Two women came out of the car and they looked back at him but still rushed into the hospital and he let them) And there was no pressing the guy against the car to check for weapons or anything like that even after he pointed a gun at him (which makes no sense to me..)

I don't mean to analyze every little thing the officer did to pick on him. The only part I am really upset about is the fact that this officer seemed to show no compassion whatsover. I am not sure if that is something you can teach by sending him to a school....
 
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