Fedup
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
I'm sorry, that does sound too good to be true.Apparently I misunderstood. I thought Fedup was saying her BIL was eating a lot of cake to reverse it.
I'm sorry, that does sound too good to be true.Apparently I misunderstood. I thought Fedup was saying her BIL was eating a lot of cake to reverse it.
Well, these articles are clearly informing us otherwise.There is no such thing as Reversing Type 2 Diabetes. Once you have the disease you will always have it. You can fake the doctors off by exercising and low carb diet .
Go back to your old ways and it comes back. Anyone that thinks any different is in denial. The denial thing is one thing that most of us experience at one time or the other. Want to know how I know that
I have heard people tell me that they were not diabetic anymore. I just laugh and walk away. I have also heard people refer to a person as a bad diabetic. Don't think I have ever seen a good one
Most people who just found out about this disease don't want to change their eating habits . What I have found it over these years is I got to keep moving. Some days that is hard especially as I age.
It is sort of like the old oil filter commercial that was aired years ago. You can pay me know or pay me later
Well, these articles are clearly informing us otherwise.
If you can heal the pancreas and liver so that your body response to blood sugar is normal, then you don't have diabetes any more.
What's fascinating is that fasting gets the fat out of the liver and pancreas, and the pancreas is able to start acting normally again! And the process is pretty quick too.
Well the mantra:I think she's assuming diabetes is like alcoholism. They say once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. May or may not be true. But I'm with you. If you don't have the symptoms, and your body is processing food without needing meds, you aren't diabetic. Otherwise anyone who is genetically predisposed to diabetes would be a diabetic, whether they ever displayed any symptoms or not. Reversing diabetes is just like reversing obesity. Just because you can recreate it by eating too much again, doesn't mean you're obese when your weight is down in the normal range.
is right out of the ADA playbook (except the faking the doctors part) and that is what they still preach.There is no such thing as Reversing Type 2 Diabetes. Once you have the disease you will always have it. You can fake the doctors off by exercising and low carb diet .
So you are quoting a doctor quote in a WebMD article as you authoritative source not to be refuted? No new evidence or findings to be considered and explored? End of story?I will say it one more time. There is no such thing as Reversing Type 2 Diabetes. "The term 'reversal' is used when people can go off medication but still must engage in a lifestyle program in order to stay off the medication. Once those Beta cells have been destroyed there is no repairing.
Like someone said it has nothing to do with being overweight but being overweight can help this disease move on in.
The key to being on top of this is to nip in early before those B/S 's are way high. If that happens then people tend to have problems keeping it under control.
I am sure not going to argue with anyone over something as serious as diabetes . It is nothing to be taken lightly. One thing to remember that is a fact . Type 2 diabetes is seen as a progressive condition.
I have known I had diabetes for over 14 years. I said I have known. I probably had it much longer but I caught it early which is the key to control many times. I have never taken any meds to control it. Only diet and exercise . Will I continue to be able to do this without meds.? I doubt it as I move into my 70's this year but one can only hope. Cheers.
Can Beta Cells Be Healed?Beta cells in Type 2
People with Type 2, however, recover beta cell function all the time. A study done in Seattle found that beta cells subjected to high glucose levels (about 288 mg/dl in a test tube) lost function rapidly. But when switched to a low-glucose environment (about 15 mg/dl), most of them recovered normal insulin production.
The longer the cells had stayed in the sugary solution, the longer it took them to recover. The researchers said that the damage might be irreversible after too much time in the glucose bath. They couldn’t say how long that time would be.
In 2011, a widely-reported British study found that beta cells recovered in a couple of weeks in most (not all) people eating 600 calories a day. Most of these people had been diagnosed with Type 2 fairly recently.
I've got a number of friends that are vegetarians, as well as celiacs disease sufferers. You can go gluten free without going low carb quite easily. When DW went GF for awhile, she was eating all these Namaste brand cakes and breads and such. They were delicious, sometimes better than the wheat flour versions. But man were they sweet! I especially liked the brownies and the carrot/spice cake mix. You can easily eat vegetarian without avoiding sugar/carbs. As a matter of fact, when I started my current eating style I googled a bunch of vegetarian dishes, and they all had too many carbs for me to be able to eat them. So I could see a vegetarian cutting back on certain things and eating a little meat, and getting their numbers to improve.
Well the mantra:
is right out of the ADA playbook (except the faking the doctors part) and that is what they still preach.
Clearly they are wrong.
If the pancreas can be healed such that cell function returns to normal, then I don't see how you could call that anything other than a reversal.
Type 2 diabetes is caused by fat accumulating in the pancreas, researchers show. They add that losing less than one gram of that fat through weight loss reverses the diabetes.
I'm not actually saying anything different - just another layer of detail. The paper from the first Newcastle study was titled:In some ways, it seems simpler than that. Here's a snip from this article:
(that is one gram *from the pancreas* - not overall)
There's no mention of beta cells, even though the average time after diagnosis was 6.9 years and longest time was 15 years. Obviously once your beta cells are damaged (or gone) then you're probably in a non-reversible state.
I wonder what factors cause one person to get a fatty pancreas at a lower weight vs. a heavily obese person who does not. I'm sure genetics and perhaps diet play a role. Maybe obese vegans are better protected? Fat vs carbs vs protein?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151201141231.htm
"Allowing normal insulin secretion to be restored" is just another way of saying the beta cells were restored to normal healthy function.Previous work by Professor Taylor and his team highlighted the importance of weight loss through diet in reversing Type 2 diabetes. This work in 2011 transformed the thinking in diabetes as it was the first time that it had been demonstrated that diet could remove fat clogging up the pancreas allowing normal insulin secretion to be restored.
Well the mantra:
is right out of the ADA playbook (except the faking the doctors part) and that is what they still preach.
Clearly they are wrong.
If the pancreas can be healed such that cell function returns to normal, then I don't see how you could call that anything other than a reversal.
I think there is a big difference between saying you could become diabetic again (of course!), and saying once diabetic always diabetic and your pancreas will never be normal again - once impaired can't be cured, which is what the ADA basically says (type II diabetes is progressive and incurable - no going back).I assume old trig is saying that once your diabetic you will always be susceptible to return to being diabetic should you go back to your old ways of eating and not exercising. I would think that is a reasonable conclusion.
what the ADA basically says (type II diabetes is progressive and incurable - no going back).
I think there is a big difference between saying you could become diabetic again (of course!), and saying once diabetic always diabetic and your pancreas will never be normal again - once impaired can't be cured, which is what the ADA basically says (type II diabetes is progressive and incurable - no going back).
The other question with respect to reversing things, does the insurance industry then declare you free of previous pre-existing condition. By the way, are you or were you ever diabetic?
Just my 2 cents. Would be nice if comments were from actual type 2 people. Keep comments short. List what worked. Facts. Keep opinions to a minimum.