Lawrencewendall
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Even though I may be in the 2 comma club, I still enjoy repairing/re-purposing/re-claiming stuff so as not to waste it. DW calls me a garbage picker. I prefer the term dumpster diver.
I don’t mind spending money, but I hate wasting money. So I too am always looking for good value, so I’m selectively frugal?
I think a lot has to do with your experiences as a child with financial insecurity. If you had a parent out of a job for an extended period, the income providing parent became disabled or died, or there was a divorce that left the custodial parent broke, you probably experienced a lot of anxiety about money. It's very hard to overcome that kind of experience. The fear of running out of money motivates you to have a bigger cushion and a fear of spending.
On the other hand, if you had parents that always emphasized having safe and steady employment, never took any risks with their money, and thought it wrong to spend any more than you needed, you probably ended up with the same cushion and fear of spending.
Then there was my friend whose brother in law dropped dead of a heart attack at 35. His parents were of the safety over all else belief. Dad worked at one bank for 40 years. This guy was in his 20's and vowed that he would die without one penny left in his pocket. He spent the next 50 years spending everything he earned or could borrow. Drove fancy cars, owned and flew a plane, vacationed at the best resorts, and had a life that was one big party. In this case, a natural tendency and a life-altering event overcame the parental example.
That's my philosophy. I'll pay for quality, but I also shop at the dollar store.
I don't mind that others spend more. It keeps the economy humming, and for people to have jobs.
One of our local dollar store always has some great deals on fresh produce, fancy cheeses, organic foods and gourmet foods, often 75% off our local supermarket prices. We make dishes like soups, tacos, wraps, salads and stir fries so the exact ingredients aren't that important.
What? No investments on aging Scotch Whiskey?
It depends. Were you always a saver? I mean as a kid too? If so, then you are probably not going to change much. You might loosen up a bit, but you will always shop for value.
I was a saver for as long as I can remember, saving my 10 cents a week allowance to buy a Light Bright toy at age 8. Now, nearly 4 years into ER, I still weigh the cost vs. value of most purchases. I don’t mind spending on something of value, but nothing makes my day more than a discount. I don’t think I’ll ever change.
Frugality, living below your means, making sure your $$ works harder than you do, that type of thinking never goes away. It’s the challenge, and the risks, then the eventual rewards in life— that’s my adrenaline rush. My $.02.Does a tiger ever change his/her stripes?
I have been a frugal consumer all of my life. We have always had relatively simple needs and wants, at least compared to most around us. LBYM has been a lifestyle long before there was that phrase or acronym. Our 1st mortgage was turned down before we even filled out the application because the amount we wanted to borrow was not enough for the bank to bother with. We are now retired and have enough income stream to not have to worry a lot about what the things we want cost. We feel fortunate for that.
One example of recent LBYM: DW recently needed a new laptop. The older laptop was a consumer grade Samsung and was acting up, not repairable. Her computing needs are small but she wanted one with a DVD drive. She didn't want to bother with the external drive I have. Did you know that DVD drives are no longer standard features anymore? We bought a USED 2 generation old business computer for little more than WIN10 alone would have costs. Being a business computer, it is repairable. I just added a used Bluetooth module for a bit over $5 so now she can download pics from her inexpensive Huawei Android phone.
When I look for an item online either Amazon or eBay or just a Google shopping search, I almost always sort the results by price. I still look at product and seller reviews, then select based on my perceived value. I don't like paying more for an item if it can be had elsewhere for a better price.
It is not like I can't spend more for those items I deem worth the value to me/us. I will pay up for certain "features" or "service". Case in point: I'm currently comparing various Alaska Cruise/Land packages. I'm looking at Balcony Stateroom or probably a Jr suite, even though there is a big $ difference (a couple thou for the 2 of us). But my process is still the same. I chose a cruise line and a particular date and itinerary. Then I revert to my old self and start the search for the best deals on that itinerary. In reality, any one of them would fit our planned budget. Maybe I should just pick one and stop searching for the best value.
Does this mentality of LBYM ever end?
Case in point: I'm currently comparing various Alaska Cruise/Land packages. I'm looking at Balcony Stateroom or probably a Jr suite, even though there is a big $ difference (a couple thou for the 2 of us). But my process is still the same. I chose a cruise line and a particular date and itinerary. Then I revert to my old self and start the search for the best deals on that itinerary. In reality, any one of them would fit our planned budget. Maybe I should just pick one and stop searching for the best value.
Does this mentality of LBYM ever end?
well stated.I think a lot has to do with your experiences as a child with financial insecurity. If you had a parent out of a job for an extended period, the income providing parent became disabled or died, or there was a divorce that left the custodial parent broke, you probably experienced a lot of anxiety about money. It's very hard to overcome that kind of experience. The fear of running out of money motivates you to have a bigger cushion and a fear of spending.
On the other hand, if you had parents that always emphasized having safe and steady employment, never took any risks with their money, and thought it wrong to spend any more than you needed, you probably ended up with the same cushion and fear of spending.
We've been on a couple Alaska Cruises, and I've been on 20 Fishing trips all across Alaska.... IMO - Skip the Land Package, as you'll be 'scenery-ed out' by the time you get there... Go for a Balcony as there is a lot of scenery from the Ship.... An all the rooms are small anyway.
I'd Book about the second week of September, as the kids are back to school by then, so less chaos, and there is a good chance you'll get 'upgraded' to a better room (they discount the cheaper rooms and move everyone 'up') ... We booked a Balcony and ended up with a Suite with Kingsize Bed and Bath with Tub and 2 sinks....
I am keeping our 2006 Honda. Putting money into replacing the timing belt and refreshing some fluids. Why? We like the car, it is in perfect condition. Only 120K miles. Since retiring we only drive it about six or seven months a year.
Having sold my old 16 GB on eBay for $200. To me that’s being frugal.
Just bought a new computer. Cost of an upgrade, as noted before, was good money after bad. Not a thought...just went out and bought the replacement. We had had it for 7 years so it has paid it's way.
I’ve also struggled with this since I retired over 7 years ago. On paper we could spend more than twice as much as we do, fortunately we’re comfortable just spending modestly. I tell myself we need to be conservative to make sure our money lasts if (FIRECALC) history does NOT repeat, and then we’ll spend more later in retirement - though I realize by then we will probably be so limited physically we can’t enjoy the extra spending. Catch-22? That’s exactly what happened to my Dad, he was only spending about 20% of his income for the last 10+ years if his life - sad. It’s a good question I don’t have an answer for either...
I don’t mind spending money, but I hate wasting money. So I too am always looking for good value, so I’m selectively frugal? And we keep things we buy longer than most people; cars, appliances, consumer electronics, clothes, sports gear, pretty much everything.
However, I also think this is another ER question that yields different answers for SIRE vs FIRE retirees. The more SIRE you are, the less need to LBYM?