COVID-19 Shutdown Exit Strategy?

[fh2000]

I'm resigned to massive death counts here in the USA, because it's against our rights to have a curfew, or restrict movement between States/cities.
Currently we are over 50,000 dead.

Those types of actions work better in other countries that are more used to authoritarian rule like China.

<edit> But I also think we need to open more businesses, maybe just limit the huge crowd gathering types of things like: parades, football game attendance (can still watch on tv), concerts.
Maybe death row inmates would volunteer for immunity testing in return for freedom, but lets not offer it to the serial and mass murderers.

One thing I do not see mentioned in US, that China is doing, which is using big disinfecting machines. In many large gathering such as entrance of factories, workers have to go thru a tunnel kind of disinfecting streams coming in all directions to each person. Some schools and large malls also have these:

 

[brewer12345]

One thing I do not see mentioned in US, that China is doing, which is using big disinfecting machines. In many large gathering such as entrance of factories, workers have to go thru a tunnel kind of disinfecting streams coming in all directions to each person. Some schools and large malls also have these:

I am sure those are completely safe...

 

[donheff]

I am sure those are completely safe...

LOL. Beat me to it. Kinda like pouring bleach in your humidifier tank.

 

[fh2000]

LOL. Beat me to it. Kinda like pouring bleach in your humidifier tank.

If the disinfecting liquid is the same as the hand sanitizer, I can see how this might work. If you can put on your hands, can you put on your skin in other areas?

 

[brewer12345]

If the disinfecting liquid is the same as the hand sanitizer, I can see how this might work. If you can put on your hands, can you put on your skin in other areas?

Want to breathe it in? Saturate your clothes with it?

 

[statsman]

I am sure those are completely safe...

Yeah. Just because China is doing something doesn't mean much. There is little regard for the people who live there. Brought to us by the country that hoisted the virus on the planet in the first place.

 

[LRDave]

Yeah. Just because China is doing something doesn't mean much. There is little regard for the people who live there. Brought to us by the country that hoisted the virus on the planet in the first place.

(foisted.....)

 

[Nemo2]

(foisted.....)

You go foist, I'll second it.

 

[LRDave]

You go foist, I'll second it.

 

[fh2000]

Want to breathe it in? Saturate your clothes with it?

They also have those disinfecting guns to spray the streets and inside public buildings. I see none of these in US.

The only method in US is asking the citizens to stay at home, wear homemade cloth masks, and wait for herd immunity. I see nothing else that the government will do to eradicate the virus soon.

Not enough test kits, no cure, no vaccine...

 

[Nemo2]

Where's Lou Costello when you really need him?

 

[brewer12345]

They also have those disinfecting guns to spray the streets and inside public buildings. I see none of these in US.

The only method in US is asking the citizens to stay at home, wear homemade cloth masks, and wait for herd immunity. I see nothing else that the government will do to eradicate the virus soon.

Not enough test kits, no cure, no vaccine...

I am disappointed with the lack of progress on what seem like obvious things to do to start fixing the problem. OTOH, a lack of being randomly sprayed with poisons and carcinogens seems like a plus to me.

 

[fh2000]

I am disappointed with the lack of progress on what seem like obvious things to do to start fixing the problem. OTOH, a lack of being randomly sprayed with poisons and carcinogens seems like a plus to me.

They do sell these disinfecting guns in US. I assume they are approved to use. I am just thinking they can be used in public stations, and malls if they start to reopen.

 

[brewer12345]

They do sell these disinfecting guns in US. I assume they are approved to use. I am just thinking they can be used in public stations, and malls if they start to reopen.

Pass. If that is what is necessary, we are not ready to reopen.

 

[splitwdw]

The man with the disinfecting gun says in the beginning that he is there to disinfect for the flu and hoof and mouth disease. Humans don't get hoof and mouth disease. Great expert!

 

[Leo1277]

Undercounting Prevalence and Mortality

Over the last few days, a few first studies have come out looking for antibodies in population samples, pretty random in California, not quite as random in New York. The early indication is that we may be severely undercounting case numbers.

It turns out the same may be true about deaths: Here are some figures from https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html showing actual death rates compared to historical averages. In eight countries, there were jumps of 75% up, give or take. Considering that heart attacks and cancer amount to between 20% and 25% of yearly death rates, we have an increase in deaths that is 3-4 times more than those main killers! (Of course those figures also include additional heart attacks just from sitting at home stressed and without exercise, eating too much take out pizza, pop corn, etc). So this is a strong argument for the actual Covid-19 related death count being much higher than what is currently being reported in the normal virus statistics, which in the US and Europe amounts to roughly the same as heart attacks. In the end, such death plots, combined with antibody tests with good statistics, will tell the story much better - and things don't look too good.

 

[SecondCor521]

Where's Lou Costello when you really need him?

I dunno. Third base?

 

[Chuckanut]

Getting the flu does not confer immunity.

Are you sure about this?

The flu virus changes from year to year, but I have heard if you had the flu last year we still have partial immunity this year if the change has not been to large. Or am I wrong.

 

[REWahoo]

I dunno. Third base?

Who is on third, not Lou.

 

[SecondCor521]

Who is on third, not Lou.

No, he's on first. I Don't Know's on third.

 

[REWahoo]

No, he's on first. I Don't Know's on third.

I'm confused. Maybe this will help:

 

[MuirWannabe]

Are you sure about this?

The flu virus changes from year to year, but I have heard if you had the flu last year we still have partial immunity this year if the change has not been to large. Or am I wrong.

No, I’m not sure I guess. Was just thinking how in general if you get the flu it doesn’t mean you won’t get it again the following year.

 

[Chuckanut]

No, he's on first. I Don't Know's on third.

I knew I Don't Know in college. We both graduated from Wassamata U.

 

[Teacher Terry]

Sunset, South Lake Tahoe is giving 1k fines to anyone that doesn’t live locally. 7 males drove a hour away to go to a convenience store there and all were fined so they are limiting travel. The house across the street is a Airbnb and someone from California is in it constantly. Don’t know why they are coming because everything is closed.

 

[PatrickA5]

Our Mayor (Tulsa) announced today that we would go along with Oklahoma's governor decision to open the economy. He seemed pretty distressed, since we haven't seen the decrease needed in cases, but he said it would be futile to tell our citizens they can't work when every other surrounding community would be able to. He's been very proactive since very early, but I guess he's having to go along with the plan, or else he'd see a rebellion. Oh well, I guess we'll see how things turn out.