What would be a good modern day "stereo system"?

Back in the long ago days when I considered myself an audiophile, one of my speaker tests was Also Sprach Zarathustra by Strauss. Also known as the theme from the film 2001 - A Space Odyssey, the opening was considered the lowest note in all of recorded music.

Well, that was interesting. I pulled that up on Amazon Music. Pushed play and I couldn’t hear anything, but my dog clearly did. Nothing crazy, just looked around for what was making that sound. I dialed in my speaker and turned up the volume then I could hear it.
 
OP here. Thanks for all the feedback. I am digesting it and discussing it with DW. She is quite concerned about how any / all of this looks in our living room and I can see where this decision will be shaped by aesthetics.

Or, maybe we decide not to decide once again and I continue to use my iPad with a rechargeable bluetooth speaker. :LOL:
 
OP here. Thanks for all the feedback. I am digesting it and discussing it with DW. She is quite concerned about how any / all of this looks in our living room and I can see where this decision will be shaped by aesthetics.

Or, maybe we decide not to decide once again and I continue to use my iPad with a rechargeable bluetooth speaker. :LOL:

Aesthetics with a turntable and tape player is not going to be easy. All those wires and bulky units.
 
... She is quite concerned about how any / all of this looks in our living room and I can see where this decision will be shaped by aesthetics. ...
BTDT; she who must be obeyed announced: "We are not taking those giant speakers to the new lake house." (Klipsch La Scala). Our new house plan is a pair of relatively small floor speakers at the right height (~25") to serve as side tables next to two guest chairs. Tops will be custom sized tempered glass with finished edges, which are surprisingly cheap/under $50 offered on several web sites. We are auditioning Klipsch KG-4s in our city home living room right now and I am pleasantly surprised by the sound quality from these little boxes. Preferred alternate is classic Klipsch Heresy but finding "living room quality" cabinets on the used market is proving to be a challenge and new ones are north of $3K.

Back in the long ago days when I considered myself an audiophile, one of my speaker tests was Also Sprach Zarathustra by Strauss. Also known as the theme from the film 2001 - A Space Odyssey, the opening was considered the lowest note in all of recorded music.
Fun. I found a YouTube rendition and my good old sat/sub computer speakers rendered that note just fine. Maybe not as loud as with a better system but it still held its own when the horns came in.
 
Back in the long ago days when I considered myself an audiophile, one of my speaker tests was Also Sprach Zarathustra by Strauss. Also known as the theme from the film 2001 - A Space Odyssey, the opening was considered the lowest note in all of recorded music.

https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_first_note_in_Strauss%27_Also_sprach_Zarathustra


I have a CD with Also Sprach Zarathustra on it. I'll have to give it a go.

I got a test CD with my subwoofer that plays tones at 10 hz, 15 hz, 20 hz, 25 hz, 35 hz, etc. etc. I can hear the 20 hz tone but not the 15 hz tone; however judging by the vibrations my house can "hear" the 15 hz tone.

Another good song for a particular low note is "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" by Michael McDonald. Only gets hit a couple of times in the song, but it is sweet.
 
Klipsch

I dumped everything a few years back and went with Klipsch Bluetooth speakers. Upstairs we have the R-51PM pair in the living room and downstairs The Three in our TV room. Superb sound, simple to use with iPhones and iPads
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned here...if you have Craigslist in your area, you can build a killer stereo system on a budget. Lots of people clearing out old school stereo gear that still has a great deal of mileage left. Plenty of really great speakers for ten to twenty cents on the dollar. I could easily put together a great one-room system for under $500, particularly if video and surround sound isn't a consideration. And recycling is good for the environment, too!
 
If cost is no object, may I suggest this Sonus Faber SF16 that I happened to run across. It costs a mere $12K for a unit in each room, but a local dealer in Scottsdale shows a price of $10K.

I know that Sonus Faber is an Italian maker of expensive loudspeakers, but this SF16 is something new. Only a few hundred units will be made each year.

The small-looking unit is 25" wide, weighs 55 lbs, and boasts 1,400W of audio power output. How they manage to not blow out the speakers, I wonder.

Connectivity is by WiFi using DTS Play-Fi, which I don't know anything about.

Technical details are here for the fat cats among us: https://www.sonusfaber.com/en/products/sf16/.

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I've got a lot of vintage stuff in my basement that I want to enjoy (Ohm Walsh 4's and Hafler separates).

But I use some ten year old Harmon Kardon Soundsticks (with sub) to listen to the monstrous iTunes library I have. Even up at the cottage, my folks bought a Sharp tabletop AM/FM/Cassette/CD with two speakers that sounds really nice. I know they're nowhere near audiophile, but they're just pleasant.

I also picked up some JBL 301's and their sub that are self powered and can wire in something either via preamp outputs or a stereo feed from the headphone jack of an Alexa/iPod/iPhone.

Times change...not necessarily for the better but it's OK!
 
Realistically, I put together a streaming server (with >5TB music most as FLAC) and wifi receivers around the place with a 7.1 system out in our gazebo by the swimming pool, a 2.1 system on our patio, other systems in the living room and basement offices, etc. The sound from all of these is excellent. However, my wife much prefers the sound from her JBL Bluetooth speaker (hers is a Charge 4) she carries around with her that I gave her as a gift a while back. Most of those systems I put together really never get used except the soundbar for the TV. I have a smaller wifi/Bluetooth portable speaker I use for yoga and we stream from online sources like Amazon Music. She vastly prefers her Montecarlo Radio music streaming from Russia which has an excellent mix of mostly old classics (she is Russian).

Long point short, buy a JBL Bluetooth speaker in the $150 range and stream what you like from whatever source you prefer. You won't go wrong and it is cheap enough.

The FLAC music I play on the radio in the car on SD cards or on my yacht also with SDCards. I put the latter on random play and have 64GB of music on it so for the 3-40 hours I am sailing I don't have to fool around with it and am happy with my selections. I sail single-handed on a centerboard racing yacht so often have no opportunity to leave the cockpit to change tracks. Often I go hours where I can't let go of the tiller as I generally sail right on the edge of control, usually into the weather which is a blast and my music blasting out around me (I like almost everything and the classic rock or heavy metal but also symphonic and opera as well). It is a serious rush! Lake sailing on the largest lake in Europe in 20-knot winds where the wind changes constantly is a wonderful sport. Radio is not all that great here in Europe with white trash Rap stuff usually in Hungarian or Romania not all that great. What is weird is they love the recent modern American stuff but mix it up with this weird stuff. Not my cup of tea.

Both of us are getting "old" now and sound quality is less appreciated as our hearing is going slowly. That is a large factor for going to portable sounds as they really do sound great and being closer has a better sensation. It isn't quite as good as back in the 60's when I would put 2 speakers over my head and listen to records like Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Steppenwolf, Led Zepplin, etc. and crank it up, but pretty close for old people like us. For me when I want to really feel the music I play my electric guitar (or bass) through an effects pedal and headphones. I also play trumpet and have a silent system where a mute goes in with a mic and headphones. So, I really enjoy music but prefer to play it by myself. My wife doesn't share the same tases of my more esoteric music. We share classic music and opera and "classic rock" and I even love Russian music as well so it is a good fit more or less. We often dance in the kitchen together when a good song comes on. We also have an excellent electric piano you can play using headphones also sounds fantastic. My wife plays the piano usually by herself as she loves to be alone when she plays (it evokes strong memories of her son who was an opera singer but passed away who as a child she played while he sang before joining the Bolshoi Theater). My kids have leaden ears and don't listen to anything. My mother was also an opera singer and my brother played his entire career in major symphonies playing the clarinet. His wife plays the violin also in the same symphony he retired from. Both are over 75 now but they still play for charities etc. They bought the insanely expensive wireless music system (over $10K) and it is usually broken. I suggested the JBL speakers to them which they now use and the nutty commercial system sits idle (like my homebrew one here).

I will add that I danced ballet for about 12 years and like to "feel" the music as much as possible. I have discovered that I can combine that passion for music with exercise using an Oculus Quest 2 and play things like Audio Trip and even better SynthRider. The latter has about 1,500 tracks from users that put together great patterns that you can download and play. Many are far better than the ones the company does itself. I put in 1 hour a day doing this and love it!! It is very close to dancing and I get to pick the tracks I like. You can burn about 600 calories per hour doing this and it is an insane workout. Ballet is a bit hard when you get to 70 (I still practice though to stay flexible usually barre work). So music is a big part of our life.
 
If you want an interesting hobby, look into DIYing a system. I started small 20 yrs ago or so, just modifying some speakers and electronics. Then it grew into a passion and I've built what I consider a very high-end system from vacuum tubes (some 100 years old) including my own design DAC, preamp and amps. It will never be perfect, though, so I'm continually experimenting with new circuits and components (that's a feature, not a bug!). I find it fascinating to modify a circuit then listen for how the sound changes for better or worse.
I've got enough projects lined up in my head to keep me busy until I'm dead, which hopefully is a long time from now. I have a pretty nifty little electronics lab in my basement, too, with oscilloscopes, function generator, bench power supplies, etc. I love the smell of solder in the morning.
Attached are a picture of my system and a close up of one of the two mono amps (one per channel). They use old radio transmitter tubes running at 2300V...the moment I fired them up for the first time was a hair-raising experience, to say the least! The sound is incredibly detailed yet powerful enough to rock the house. I take a strange pride in knowing I'm the only one in the world with THIS system.
 

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If you want to relive 50 years ago, you could pick up an old Marantz receiver and revive it by changing out the electrolytic capacitors. I found this Marantz 2230 for $10 at a flea market, changed the capacitors and lamps, fixed a broken power button, cleaned it up, and my wife uses it for her workout room system with a pair of Paradigm monitors I also refurbished. Total cost about $50 for the parts, receiver and speakers.
She loves the Marantz "Two Martini Sound", as they advertised it back in the day.
 

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Being in declutter and cutting back mode for a few years now so basically got rid of all that stuff! Amazon music or Spotify with Varios “echo devices” or Roku sticks and streaming services. Alexa plugs in to my old Sound wave and the TV’s sound bar and subwoofer
No more bus tapes or DVDs, no players snd all the cords involved, control it from anywhere, super simple and no more buying music

Can’t see investing in technology that is going the way of the dinosaurs. Or investing in buying music anymore.

I am also reminded of my dear old dad who had a great sound system I put in for him but which became increasingly confusing for him to operate in his later years. I suspect “Alexa play some music” will always work for me…..
 
Try U-Turn Audio

So, I had a similar itch about a year ago, as I stared at my multiple bins of albums and 45’s. I’ll let the others more informed on the specs and subtleties of hardware selection, but I will opine on the turntable. I looked into this pretty deeply, and settled (and I can report happily a year later) on a turntable from Uturn Audio. In general, reviews were very favorable. I bought one of their higher end turntables. The deciding factor for me was that this is a 100% American made turntable, and the American company is itself based in Boston. They have affiliations with other American companies for other audio components, e.g. speakers etc.
I had one issue over the first year, and I found their customer service to be absolutely outstanding. This is consistent with reviews I found online about them. (And this was during the pandemic when other companies were basically awol).
I suggest you check them out.
 
If you want an interesting hobby, look into DIYing a system. I started small 20 yrs ago or so, just modifying some speakers and electronics. Then it grew into a passion and I've built what I consider a very high-end system from vacuum tubes (some 100 years old) including my own design DAC, preamp and amps. It will never be perfect, though, so I'm continually experimenting with new circuits and components (that's a feature, not a bug!). I find it fascinating to modify a circuit then listen for how the sound changes for better or worse.
I've got enough projects lined up in my head to keep me busy until I'm dead, which hopefully is a long time from now. I have a pretty nifty little electronics lab in my basement, too, with oscilloscopes, function generator, bench power supplies, etc. I love the smell of solder in the morning.
Attached are a picture of my system and a close up of one of the two mono amps (one per channel). They use old radio transmitter tubes running at 2300V...the moment I fired them up for the first time was a hair-raising experience, to say the least! The sound is incredibly detailed yet powerful enough to rock the house. I take a strange pride in knowing I'm the only one in the world with THIS system.
Fantastic. Although way outside the bounds of what the OP is looking for it looks like an incredible set up. Those Infinity reference speakers are huge and could never pass the wife test at my house.:LOL: Those 2 diy amps are pretty dang impressive.
 
I've built what I consider a very high-end system from vacuum tubes (some 100 years old) including my own design DAC, preamp and amps.

Very cool! I love the Frankenstein laboratory look. :) You obviously take sound quality seriously. I couldn't tolerate large speakers like that in our living room, but I bet it all sounds amazing. Congrats!
 
If you want to relive 50 years ago, you could pick up an old Marantz receiver and revive it by changing out the electrolytic capacitors. I found this Marantz 2230 for $10 at a flea market, changed the capacitors and lamps, fixed a broken power button, cleaned it up, and my wife uses it for her workout room system with a pair of Paradigm monitors I also refurbished. Total cost about $50 for the parts, receiver and speakers.
She loves the Marantz "Two Martini Sound", as they advertised it back in the day.

Yes, I gave away my old 1975 (year, not model) Onkyo receiver before I moved. It was lesser quality than Marantz, but still serviceable. Most of the little indicator lights were dead, but it still worked, and I used it almost everyday in my basement workshop. But I had other, smaller stuff I could use in the new place, so I parted with it.

Never heard of the "Two Martini Sound" - classic! :)

... They use old radio transmitter tubes running at 2300V...the moment I fired them up for the first time was a hair-raising experience, to say the least! ....

Holy Cow! What's the power output to the speakers? Hmmm, you could probably drive electrostatics direct!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_loudspeaker

To date, Acoustat built the only commercial "transformer-less" electrostatic loudspeaker.[citation needed] In this design, the audio signal is applied directly to the stators from a built-in high-voltage valve amplifier (as valves are also high impedance devices), without use of a step-up transformer.

-ERD50
 
Start your system with these:

https://magnat-usa.com/home-theater/transpuls/transpuls-1500

Any loving spouse would love to have these in the family room. :)

My $1,000 system:

Denon PMA-600NE Bluetooth integrated amp ($300 from eBay)
ELAC Debut 2.0 F5.2 Floor speakers ($400 from ELAC USA)
ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3010 ($300 from eBay)

I use my iPhone or iPad to Bluetooth Apple Music.

Is this my dream system? Nope, but it sounds quite good with the budget in mind.

The wireless speaker requirement with the turntable will be the hardest to figure out for the OP.
 
Holy Cow! What's the power output to the speakers? Hmmm, you could probably drive electrostatics direct!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_loudspeaker



-ERD50

Yes, I would be able to directly drive electrostatics. There is at least one guy doing it that I've seen on the internet, but with his own home-brew amps.

SET (single-ended triode) amps usually put out from 1-10 Watts from a single output tube. My amps put out 200W from each of those big 833C output tubes. I'm most likely the only guy driving Infinity RSIIb speakers full-range with an SET.
 
Realistically, I put together a streaming server (with >5TB music most as FLAC) and wifi receivers around the place with a 7.1 system out in our gazebo by the swimming pool, a 2.1 system on our patio, other systems in the living room and basement offices, etc. The sound from all of these is excellent. However, my wife much prefers the sound from her JBL Bluetooth speaker (hers is a Charge 4) she carries around with her that I gave her as a gift a while back. Most of those systems I put together really never get used except the soundbar for the TV. I have a smaller wifi/Bluetooth portable speaker I use for yoga and we stream from online sources like Amazon Music. She vastly prefers her Montecarlo Radio music streaming from Russia which has an excellent mix of mostly old classics (she is Russian).

Long point short, buy a JBL Bluetooth speaker in the $150 range and stream what you like from whatever source you prefer. You won't go wrong and it is cheap enough.

The FLAC music I play on the radio in the car on SD cards or on my yacht also with SDCards. I put the latter on random play and have 64GB of music on it so for the 3-40 hours I am sailing I don't have to fool around with it and am happy with my selections. I sail single-handed on a centerboard racing yacht so often have no opportunity to leave the cockpit to change tracks. Often I go hours where I can't let go of the tiller as I generally sail right on the edge of control, usually into the weather which is a blast and my music blasting out around me (I like almost everything and the classic rock or heavy metal but also symphonic and opera as well). It is a serious rush! Lake sailing on the largest lake in Europe in 20-knot winds where the wind changes constantly is a wonderful sport. Radio is not all that great here in Europe with white trash Rap stuff usually in Hungarian or Romania not all that great. What is weird is they love the recent modern American stuff but mix it up with this weird stuff. Not my cup of tea.

Both of us are getting "old" now and sound quality is less appreciated as our hearing is going slowly. That is a large factor for going to portable sounds as they really do sound great and being closer has a better sensation. It isn't quite as good as back in the 60's when I would put 2 speakers over my head and listen to records like Cream, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Steppenwolf, Led Zepplin, etc. and crank it up, but pretty close for old people like us. For me when I want to really feel the music I play my electric guitar (or bass) through an effects pedal and headphones. I also play trumpet and have a silent system where a mute goes in with a mic and headphones. So, I really enjoy music but prefer to play it by myself. My wife doesn't share the same tases of my more esoteric music. We share classic music and opera and "classic rock" and I even love Russian music as well so it is a good fit more or less. We often dance in the kitchen together when a good song comes on. We also have an excellent electric piano you can play using headphones also sounds fantastic. My wife plays the piano usually by herself as she loves to be alone when she plays (it evokes strong memories of her son who was an opera singer but passed away who as a child she played while he sang before joining the Bolshoi Theater). My kids have leaden ears and don't listen to anything. My mother was also an opera singer and my brother played his entire career in major symphonies playing the clarinet. His wife plays the violin also in the same symphony he retired from. Both are over 75 now but they still play for charities etc. They bought the insanely expensive wireless music system (over $10K) and it is usually broken. I suggested the JBL speakers to them which they now use and the nutty commercial system sits idle (like my homebrew one here).

I will add that I danced ballet for about 12 years and like to "feel" the music as much as possible. I have discovered that I can combine that passion for music with exercise using an Oculus Quest 2 and play things like Audio Trip and even better SynthRider. The latter has about 1,500 tracks from users that put together great patterns that you can download and play. Many are far better than the ones the company does itself. I put in 1 hour a day doing this and love it!! It is very close to dancing and I get to pick the tracks I like. You can burn about 600 calories per hour doing this and it is an insane workout. Ballet is a bit hard when you get to 70 (I still practice though to stay flexible usually barre work). So music is a big part of our life.

I'm going to nominate you for the award for the member who creates the longest posts!!:LOL:
 
We had built-in speakers included on our patio spaces (that we had installed when choosing options on our new home in 2018). We use that with a Sonos receiver and our phone apps (Apple music and Spotify). Other than that, just miscellaneous Bluetooth speakers around the home, including Alexa. I’m pleasantly surprised at the sound quality there. I’m not looking for recording studio or concert hall sound, just want to hear some tunes while I’m prepping dinner or cleaning the house. Works fine for us, and all my music is via smartphone anyway. Good range of tunes available on Amazon Music, when I ask Alexa, she usually delivers. ;-)

We ditched the old bulky stereo system when we moved in 2018. Amazing how we just kept those bulky things around for so long (read giant speakers). I do regret ditching the turntable, though for the very rare times we used it (Christmas Johnny Mathis album), it was time to let it go.
 
Yes, I would be able to directly drive electrostatics. There is at least one guy doing it that I've seen on the internet, but with his own home-brew amps.

SET (single-ended triode) amps usually put out from 1-10 Watts from a single output tube. My amps put out 200W from each of those big 833C output tubes. I'm most likely the only guy driving Infinity RSIIb speakers full-range with an SET.


It must stay nice and toasty in that room!

I'd guess about 500W consumption from each of the two amps? I had to brush up, but I read that class A can achieve (theoretical) 50% efficiency if transformer coupled.

On the other end of the spectrum, I'm really impressed with these modern switched power amps. Those amps are not really 'digital' (though often called that), even though they switch between two states (positive and negative power supply rails - binary output levels) they use some form of pulse-width modulation, and that pule-width is a continuously variable analog value. Efficiencies of 100% theoretical, above 90% in practice. Very tiny and lightweight relative to the power out.

I think you could do a pulse count and switch after X number, but that would be a super high frequency for CD quality, not sure anyone is doing that.

Let's see, 16 bits is 65,536 discrete values, times 44,100 samples per second, would be a 2.89 GHz signal. Or an individual pulse-width of 346 picoseconds, or 0.346 nanoseconds - not sure that is doable at a high end consumer price point? And even higher for those who want 24/96.

Have we thread drifted? :)

-ERD50
 
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I'm going to nominate you for the award for the member who creates the longest posts!!:LOL:

:LOL: But it was all very interesting. I had to look up how far Balatonfured is from Budapest for some frame of reference.

Much better (IMO) than the one poster who started threads with the equivalent of "it was a dark and stormy night..." :)

-ERD50
 
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