LateToFIRE
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Most people who are retiring in their 60's can go higher than 4%. Most people on this forum will die millionaires due to being too conservative. If you want to leave a bunch of money to other people then that is fine but I personally would not want to work longer than needed then die without spending the money I worked so hard for. YMMV
This is my view as well, though I certainly understand that many people want a healthy margin for error, especially in terms of unpredictable LTC costs at the end.
I view the degree of appropriate conservatism vs aggressiveness on WD rate as very much related to:
Age - FIRE at 45 vs FIRE at 62 - seems obvious
Stability of income sources - pension, SS, rentals that could act much like fixed income investments allowing for higher risk on the portfolio
Family/medical history - how long you think you're gonna live, risk of disability, prolonged LTC expenses
Family needs - Would make a difference to me if I'm planning only for myself or if I feel responsible for spouse/kids/others likely to survive me
Proportion of budget covered by stable income sources - As someone pointed out, for the typical Dave Ramsey fan, social security will probably constitute the majority of their retirement support, so higher risk on nest egg could be warranted
Flexibility of budget - If most expenses are fixed then more conservatism warranted, if plenty of fluff, then ability to cut way back in bad years allows for more aggressiveness.
Other Non-Portfolio Assets such as home - Yes, you need a place to live, but if you'll be sitting on a ton of home equity (or other valuable r.e.) it's still a potential safety valve that can be monetized in a pinch (ex. reverse mortgage)
In my own case, I think I can go up to 6% and be ok, but I wouldbe retiring in my early 60's, would have an extremely flexible budget, and would have other safety valves in terms of income, non-portfolio assets, home equity, etc.
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Further to the above points, if you simply took the approach of no inflation increases in down market years, the safe WD rate (95% success, 30 years, balanced AA) goes from 4.0% to 5.9%.
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