As Things Reopen I am Voting With my Purse

[W2R]

Op here, thank you for doing this. Your mother was right (aren't they always?)

Aw, thanks! She died in 2007. I miss her so much, and wish she was still alive so I could tell her that finally, I "got it" and that she was right all along, about so many things.

Like a few others here I think don't think the fabric masks are effective but I'll wear one anyway.

 

[Beachcomber]

Nope. People rarely change their minds on forums, especially as we grow older and "wiser," here or any other forum. When/if they do, it's usually much later after they've thought about it more, done some research on their own, and/or folks whose influence they usually listen to share the other POV. And few will confess to changing their mind, even if they have the opportunity. Usually the original discussion has long since gone cold.

Seems to me the best practice it to state your POV, share good reasons why, maybe reinforce once or twice - but that's all you can do. I learned by much, much longer than I should have.

You may change minds - but it will be long after you've made your case. It will NOT happen within a thread 99% of the time...

Hahaha!!! You are probably correct!!

 

[MrLoco]

That is why people need to wear a mask in crowded places. I wear a cloth mask and it is not uncomfortable. I had some problem at first with fogged glasses but I solved that putting a kleenex inside my mask. The mask also helps me to remember not to touch my face. I cannot understand why all the objections to wearing a mask.

I don't object to wearing a mask indoors when shopping.....BUT......what do you think of this?

My state will allow restaurants to have outdoor sitdown seating starting May 18.
But here are just a few of the restrictions:

1) Customers must make a reservation and show up on time or lose the reservation. (Really? Even at the local Chinese restaurant?).

2) Restaurants will be required to have only outdoor seating with no more than 5 to a table and no more than 20 tables outdoors. ( Many restaurants are not set up for this).

3) Before you are seated you are required to show ID and give your name and address and contact information in case a restaurant waitstaff tests positive for Covid. This is for contact tracing. Good luck with that!

4) Customers will be required to wear a mask upon entering a restaurant and KEEP THE MASK ON except when drinking or eating. Hence ( and this was specified)…..enter the restaurant, order your drink and food, and only when your drink arrives and your appetizer remove your mask. When the waitstaff removes your plate, put your mask back on while waiting for your entrée. Rinse and repeat for dessert. Really?

5) You will be encouraged to pay by credit card since cash is "dirty." I guess greater chance of Covid on cash than a cc?

6) REady for the best one? If you have to use the restroom, you must alert the waitstaff (kinda like when you were in kindergarten and you raised your hand so Miss Jones knew you had to piddle). The waitstaff will escort you to the restroom and make sure no one else is piddling. Only one piddler allowed in the restroom at a time. Once you are finished return immediately to your table. No dilly dallying allowed.

Doesn't this sound like a wonderful meal out?

The restaurant owners were on the local talk radio today absolutely blasting our Governor.

 

[travelover]

...........The restaurant owners were on the local talk radio today absolutely blasting our Governor.

The restaurant owners will be really pleased when word gets out that they are a Covid hot spot - nothing better for business.

 

[Aerides]

what state is that? do you have a link to a news article?

 

[MrLoco]

The restaurant owners will be really pleased when word gets out that they are a Covid hot spot - nothing better for business.

Does not compute. Unless you are saying you are in 100% agreement with these "rules."

 

[Klubbie]

I don't object to wearing a mask indoors when shopping.....BUT......what do you think of this?

My state will allow restaurants to have outdoor sitdown seating starting May 18.
But here are just a few of the restrictions:

1) Customers must make a reservation and show up on time or lose the reservation. (Really? Even at the local Chinese restaurant?).

2) Restaurants will be required to have only outdoor seating with no more than 5 to a table and no more than 20 tables outdoors. ( Many restaurants are not set up for this).

3) Before you are seated you are required to show ID and give your name and address and contact information in case a restaurant waitstaff tests positive for Covid. This is for contact tracing. Good luck with that!

4) Customers will be required to wear a mask upon entering a restaurant and KEEP THE MASK ON except when drinking or eating. Hence ( and this was specified)…..enter the restaurant, order your drink and food, and only when your drink arrives and your appetizer remove your mask. When the waitstaff removes your plate, put your mask back on while waiting for your entrée. Rinse and repeat for dessert. Really?

5) You will be encouraged to pay by credit card since cash is "dirty." I guess greater chance of Covid on cash than a cc?

6) REady for the best one? If you have to use the restroom, you must alert the waitstaff (kinda like when you were in kindergarten and you raised your hand so Miss Jones knew you had to piddle). The waitstaff will escort you to the restroom and make sure no one else is piddling. Only one piddler allowed in the restroom at a time. Once you are finished return immediately to your table. No dilly dallying allowed.

Doesn't this sound like a wonderful meal out?

The restaurant owners were on the local talk radio today absolutely blasting our Governor.

I will be skipping dining out for a long time. Not out of fear of COVID-19, but because I believe going out to eat should be an enjoyable experience. That "experience" sounds horrible and not worth the hassle.

And number 3 is a complete non-starter for me. There are already enough places that have my personal information, the server at the Beer Barrell down the street is not someone I want to add to that list. Number 6 is clown world stuff. No thanks.

 

[MrLoco]

what state is that? do you have a link to a news article?

RI. Info is on : ReopeningRI.com

 

[Aerides]

I would agree those requirements are too much for me to consider going to dinner vs. continuing takeout. Very likely those will not look the same in a week or two, as I'd expect any local commerce board and/or restaurant associations will get involved.

It's a lot easier to start with a wish list and dial it back, however, than the other way around.

 

[FIREd]

I go to stores that I like, no matter whether they require customers to wear a mask or not. But I always wear a mask when I go out in public. To me, wearing a mask is so simple and such a low price to pay to keep infection numbers down and the economy moving that I don't understand why so many people object to it.

 

[MichaelB]

I don't object to wearing a mask indoors when shopping.....BUT......what do you think of this?

What you posted is different from the instructions at the link, and the differences are meaningful. Restaurant guidance here https://www.reopeningri.com/resource_pdfs/RI-Restaurant_Guidance_Phase-I- 05.11.20.pdf

1) Customers must make a reservation and show up on time or lose the reservation. (Really? Even at the local Chinese restaurant?).

Nothing about being on time or losing the reservation.

2) Restaurants will be required to have only outdoor seating with no more than 5 to a table and no more than 20 tables outdoors. ( Many restaurants are not set up for this).

Right

3) Before you are seated you are required to show ID and give your name and address and contact information in case a restaurant waitstaff tests positive for Covid. This is for contact tracing. Good luck with that!

The requirement is for the restaurant to retain for 30 days contact info (phone number) of the person making the reservation. Nothing more.

4) Customers will be required to wear a mask upon entering a restaurant and KEEP THE MASK ON except when drinking or eating. Hence ( and this was specified)…..enter the restaurant, order your drink and food, and only when your drink arrives and your appetizer remove your mask. When the waitstaff removes your plate, put your mask back on while waiting for your entrée. Rinse and repeat for dessert. Really?

The link says mask when social distancing is not possible. If you are sitting outdoors and the table satisfies the distance requirement, the patrons should have no need to wear mask.

5) You will be encouraged to pay by credit card since cash is "dirty." I guess greater chance of Covid on cash than a cc?

Nothing new here.

6) REady for the best one? If you have to use the restroom, you must alert the waitstaff (kinda like when you were in kindergarten and you raised your hand so Miss Jones knew you had to piddle). The waitstaff will escort you to the restroom and make sure no one else is piddling. Only one piddler allowed in the restroom at a time. Once you are finished return immediately to your table. No dilly dallying allowed.

There is nothing about this in the link or phase 1 guidance.

The restaurant owners were on the local talk radio today absolutely blasting our Governor.

The purpose of talk radio is to generate outrage, so this is not meaningful or even newsworthy.

 

[devans0]

I will absolutely not risk my family's safety after everything opens up, but my state never closed except in a few limited areas. If I see a risk, I am not going in, much less spending money. Period.

I am in near total isolation by circumstance and my best effort to respond well. We are a blended family or the two of us and our daughter, her husband and two grandchildren. our sil is immune compromised, and my wife is older and has health issues. I am old.

If CV19 gets in, our grandchildren could lose their daddy, their grams and gramps. I wear a self made mask lined with a HEPA filter, taped onto my face at the edges with two sided adhesive tape when out getting supplies. I also wear neoprene gloves. I wash, use sanitizer before entering home. I wore N-95 gear and hazmat suits for most of my work life. My fear is that CV causes the kids to lose their daddy. I will do everything I can to make sure that does not happen.

A major outbreak with national attention occurred/is occurring a stone throw from our grocery store. We didn't know, because it was wasn't disclosed. Being rural, the odds are pretty good that I met some who were infected. A younger healthy couple that we know caught it and both passed away, leaving two orphans. They were not given tests because they didn't know anyone sick. As I understood it from relatives, their COD was not listed as CV19 because of the lack of a test.

I have met a couple of jerks who would get literally in my face over my mask/ gloves spouting their political facts. I didn't engage, I just tried to keep my distance, left in the middle of shopping, and sanitized when I got back to my car. Then came back the next day to shop.

There is a path that can thread between work and staying safe. Having worked in dangerous conditions, I know that it can be done. I don't see that present solutions are nearly stringent enough in sanitizing or protective gear, going by my past employment requirements. Mine will be an unpopular opinion here is my guess. But other countries are managing to get back to a new normal. We could too. But refuse to.

 

[tmm99]

I go to stores that I like, no matter whether they require customers to wear a mask or not. But I always wear a mask when I go out in public. To me, wearing a mask is so simple and such a low price to pay to keep infection numbers down and the economy moving that I don't understand why so many people object to it.

+1

 

[audreyh1]

I go to stores that I like, no matter whether they require customers to wear a mask or not. But I always wear a mask when I go out in public. To me, wearing a mask is so simple and such a low price to pay to keep infection numbers down and the economy moving that I don't understand why so many people object to it.

Yes. So simple and thoughtful - like basic courtesy.

And I believe does help get the economy going again by making other people feel more comfortable.

 

[Mark1]

I go to stores that I like, no matter whether they require customers to wear a mask or not. But I always wear a mask when I go out in public. To me, wearing a mask is so simple and such a low price to pay to keep infection numbers down and the economy moving that I don't understand why so many people object to it.

+1 Yup very simple and it may actually help the economy by getting more people out (and staying out) spending money. Plus although I'm confident I don't have the virus, without a mask during checkout I would feel like a real jerk to the store folks running the registers. Just me.

 

[Chuckanut]

I do what is necessary to protect me and mine.

If that means I don’t shop inside Fred Meyer because of lax mask wearing so be it. Costco has plenty of food and I can use pickup at Fred Meyer for a few items. They can keep their lax mask policy and I will keep my money for use at other stores.

No hassles. No screaming. No pointing the guilty finger. No scolding. No guilt trips. No politics.

In a year or two I will learn if I was right or wrong. Most likely it will be some of both. Nobody has all the answers.

 

[neihn]

I don't object to wearing a mask indoors when shopping.....BUT......what do you think of this?

My state will allow restaurants to have outdoor sitdown seating starting May 18.
But here are just a few of the restrictions:

1) Customers must make a reservation and show up on time or lose the reservation. (Really? Even at the local Chinese restaurant?).

2) Restaurants will be required to have only outdoor seating with no more than 5 to a table and no more than 20 tables outdoors. ( Many restaurants are not set up for this).

3) Before you are seated you are required to show ID and give your name and address and contact information in case a restaurant waitstaff tests positive for Covid. This is for contact tracing. Good luck with that!

4) Customers will be required to wear a mask upon entering a restaurant and KEEP THE MASK ON except when drinking or eating. Hence ( and this was specified)…..enter the restaurant, order your drink and food, and only when your drink arrives and your appetizer remove your mask. When the waitstaff removes your plate, put your mask back on while waiting for your entrée. Rinse and repeat for dessert. Really?

5) You will be encouraged to pay by credit card since cash is "dirty." I guess greater chance of Covid on cash than a cc?

6) REady for the best one? If you have to use the restroom, you must alert the waitstaff (kinda like when you were in kindergarten and you raised your hand so Miss Jones knew you had to piddle). The waitstaff will escort you to the restroom and make sure no one else is piddling. Only one piddler allowed in the restroom at a time. Once you are finished return immediately to your table. No dilly dallying allowed.

Doesn't this sound like a wonderful meal out?

The restaurant owners were on the local talk radio today absolutely blasting our Governor.

We don't go to restaurant often, perhaps once every two or three weeks. When we go usually with family (kids, brothers, sisters) - it looks like we are going to change it to one or two every six months

 

[neihn]

I go to stores that I like, no matter whether they require customers to wear a mask or not. But I always wear a mask when I go out in public. To me, wearing a mask is so simple and such a low price to pay to keep infection numbers down and the economy moving that I don't understand why so many people object to it.

+1

 

[harllee]

It will be interesting ( and maybe frightening) for history to look back at this time. Were we silly to wear facial masks and social distance? Or did these actions save many lives? I think we can learn from the 1918 flu pandemic--those areas that shut down and took precautions had many fewer deaths than those that did not take precautions. But of course this pandemic could be different. Frankly I will wear my mask and social distance even though history may look back and say it was silly and not needed. We will not know the answer for awhile but I want to be alive when we find out the answer.

 

[RobbieB]

I don't care if I'm alive or dead. Luck of the draw. Like every time I hop on the scooter. Could be my last ride. Or not.

But if you don't ride, you don't ride.

 

[Turbo29]

Nothing is 100% safe. You could be "safe" at home, taking a nap, and a meteorite could come crashing through your roof and hit you.


"Ann Hodges, 34, was napping under quilts on her couch in Sylacauga, Alabama, on November 30, 1954, when a nine-pound meteorite came through the ceiling and bounced off a radio before hitting her in the thigh. It left a deep bruise and catapulted her into both quiet fame and a major legal dispute with her landlady, who thought she rightfully owned the rock."


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...meteorite-real-trouble-began-later-180961238/

 

[harllee]

I don't think dying of Covid 19 is like getting hit by meteorite! It is more like getting struck by lightening after you walked out of your house during a terrible thunderstorm holding a metal rod in your hand.

 

[lemming]

+1

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Have the Mods seen the Ghana coffin dancers? If you ever wanted to close a thread for any reason, it fits well.
just an example https://www.reddit.com/r/GhanaSaysGoodbye/comments/gjo7ba/how_2020_will_end/

 

[Telly]

"Ann Hodges, 34, was napping under quilts on her couch in Sylacauga, Alabama, on November 30, 1954, when a nine-pound meteorite came through the ceiling and bounced off a radio before hitting her in the thigh. It left a deep bruise and catapulted her into both quiet fame and a major legal dispute with her landlady, who thought she rightfully owned the rock."

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...meteorite-real-trouble-began-later-180961238/

And this event started a trend that changed America. The general public concluded that having a radio in their house was unsafe, that it could be prone to attracting and then deflecting meteorites to the detriment of humanity. And thusly, as the years progressed, the radio fell out of favor, and was replaced by the TV. There were NO reports of people being struck by a meteorite that crashed through the ceiling, deflected off of a TV, and then harmed an occupant.

There were, however, reports of people throwing things at their TV in anger, though no ceilings were destroyed, nor people in bed hit.

 

[MrLoco]

What you posted is different from the instructions at the link, and the differences are meaningful. Restaurant guidance here https://www.reopeningri.com/resource_pdfs/RI-Restaurant_Guidance_Phase-I- 05.11.20.pdf

Nothing about being on time or losing the reservation.
Right
The requirement is for the restaurant to retain for 30 days contact info (phone number) of the person making the reservation. Nothing more.
The link says mask when social distancing is not possible. If you are sitting outdoors and the table satisfies the distance requirement, the patrons should have no need to wear mask.
Nothing new here.
There is nothing about this in the link or phase 1 guidance.

The purpose of talk radio is to generate outrage, so this is not meaningful or even newsworthy.

Gee.....I'm so sorry my post was not meaningful or even newsworthy.This makes me sad
Some of the points addressed, while not in the guidelines themselves, were guideline interpretations and examples given by members of the Governor's staff when asked by members of the media.
I listened to the entire news briefing. Did you?