Does anybody want to be rich when they get old?

I have heard many people who have visited 2nd and 3rd world countries report back on the amount of joi de vivre present in the air and on faces.

I've grown up in one (collected papers and bottles to sell them to a junk shop) and can tell you from my experience that people adept to life's hardship and still can find laughter. It is also easier to deal with poverty if you are surrounded by it - maybe, that's what you saw in India. If you have never been in absolute poverty & desperation, you may not get what I just said.
 
Honestly, I hope to leave a legacy of 1m. With an 8% annual return & no withdrawals, I should hit that # in 7 yrs and then I'll start withdrawing. Right about the time I'm eligible for maximum SSA
 
I have heard many people who have visited 2nd and 3rd world countries report back on the amount of joi de vivre present in the air and on faces. India springs to mind. My only direct experiences of a poorer country were a few visits to Tijuana and the very northern part of the Baja peninsula. I do remember seeing quite a lot of children begging on the streets of Tijuana, selling candy to tourists but they didn't look particularly happy - just driven.

I wonder if we have a tendency to romanticize life in poorer places? I wouldn't mind betting that many of those people would love to have our incomes, if not our culture.
Judging the third world by Tijuana would be like judging the US by a visit to Disney Land or maybe east St. Louis. Also, get away from the beachfront resorts in Jamaica and wander into Kingston- unless you get killed you will see many people whose lives have been damaged by poverty and contact with tourism.

I don't romanticize the third world, I basically dislike being there. But my memories plus a lot of photos support what I said. However, Tijuana has been a commercial sex stop and R&R destination for generations.

Ha
 
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There is a class of pure gamblers who'd enjoy flipping a coin for a large portion of their net worth. In my case I will say that I have no interest in flipping coins for a millions though. I think it would have be at least $2 million if I won and $1 million if I lost to play that coin flip game. I guess looking at the long term returns of stocks vs bond that seems to about the right odds I am getting. Which is why like NW I'll keep my AA between 60-80% stocks, unless there are structural reasons that change the relative returns.

Even though I don't really have major spending plans, I have been watching/helping my mom give away her money to those she cares about and it provides a significant pleasure to both her and the receiver. I have too many year ahead of me to do this in a major way, but I am looking forward to doing when I get older. Yesterday I gave a big check on her behalf to my sister, and it actually shut me sister up for a full 10 minutes. Priceless :D
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I like money, though I do not have immediate use for more of it. But I'll find something, I am sure.

And there are only 2 ways of making it that I personally know: 1) working, and 2) by investing. For 10 years prior to full retirement, I had been making the low 6-figure with my part-time consulting work, and it quite often was enjoyable highly technical and specialized work. I stopped because I felt my time was running out, plus my children already got to the financial independence state (hope they will continue to prosper). So, this leaves investing as the only way now. And that's what the OP was asking about.

I never like gambling. I do not know any card game, or rather could not remember any game rule that was taught to me. Investing is more like a chess game; it's not over in one instant deal of cards. More than a chess game, even if you have made a mistake, you can change your mind once you realize the error sufficiently early, and still come out OK. It's also about fighting your inner greed and fear as well as the faceless crowd out there whom you have to bid against some time.

About what to use any extra money for, my sister-in-law just contacted my wife to see if we want to donate some more money to the 3rd-world charity organizations we have been giving to. I told my wife to go ahead, though we will not give as much as last year.

I have heard many people who have visited 2nd and 3rd world countries report back on the amount of joi de vivre present in the air and on faces.
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I wonder if we have a tendency to romanticize life in poorer places? I wouldn't mind betting that many of those people would love to have our incomes, if not our culture.

... people adept to life's hardship and still can find laughter. It is also easier to deal with poverty if you are surrounded by it...
Unless one is laying on the ground, all shriveled up from hunger, and waiting to die with flies crawling on the face, he usually has some relative happy moments: a better meal than normal, a successful harvest, an extra bonus or a raise from his employer, a loving gesture from his sweetheart. But it does not mean a poor person in a 3rd word country would decline a chance to migrate, legally I will add, to a developed country where he has a better opportunity to earn a better life.
 
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Judging the third world by Tijuana would be like judging the US by a visit to Disney Land or maybe east St. Louis. Also, get away from the beachfront resorts in Jamaica and wander into Kingston- unless you get killed you will see many people whose lives have been damaged by poverty and contact with tourism.

I don't romanticize the third world, I basically dislike being there. But my memories plus a lot of photos support what I said. However, Tijuana has been a commercial sex stop and R&R destination for generations.

Ha

Tijuana is not indicative of most 3rd world countries. It's akin to stating that the projects are similar to SF's Nob Hill

Perhaps I didn't express myself very well, but I'm well aware that TJ is not representative of the 2nd or 3rd world in general, which is why I stated that, "My only direct experiences of a poorer country were a few visits to Tijuana and the very northern part of the Baja peninsula."

Points noted and taken.
 
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"As a secular psychological concept, greed is, similarly, an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs. The degree of inordinance is related to the inability to control the reformulation of "wants" once desired "needs" are eliminated. Erich Fromm described greed as "a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction." It is typically used to criticize those who seek excessive material wealth, although it may apply to the need to feel more excessively moral, social, or otherwise better than someone else."
 
To us it's just about having more choices. We don't have to choose between paying for heating oil or tires for the car or buying groceries for the week. We both grew up in that world (as did many others here) so by that measure we are "rich".

We have the option to dine at a fine restaurant pretty much whenever we want to, which is not often, and that's not everyone's preference. If we want some new clothes or a new car or to hire a plumber instead of spending a day in frustration struggling with fittings and pipes or take a trip for a week seeing relatives we can afford that. We couldn't do that growing up.

As most have noted it's not about the money. It's about having options that are important to you.

+1 Great post. While I never considered my family wealthy when I was growing up in the 1960s and 1970s, we never had to make any tough choices between vital expenses such as food or housing. If we wanted to do something badly enough, from going out to eat to going on a vacation (not an extravagant one), we did it. This was the same for me in my adult life, including now in my ER years. If I want to take my ladyfriend out to eat, I can do it without fear of busting my budget. When my PC died 2 years ago and I needed to replace it, I knew I could shell out $400 for a new one without worrying about busting my budget. I always have these choices and can buy my way out of most any jam I get myself into, not just when I was working but in ER.
 
From Fiddler on the roof:

[TEVYE]
"Dear God, you made many, many poor people.
I realize, of course, that it's no shame to be poor.
But it's no great honor either!
So, what would have been so terrible if I had a small fortune?"
 
I have moved between provinces and getting health care was a snap. Canada is currently governed by a right of centre party. At least the rest of the world would think so. Americans think we are socialists. All compartative i guess.

Me too about province to province and no problems at all. In fact, I need to point out as well, that if we live in one province we can still get medical care in all of the provinces fairly easily. There are most often out of pocket costs that are reimbursed by your home province healthcare plan later though.

My view on the socialist thing is we are carrying too much baggage from past government.

And in previous posts, regarding criteria for healthcare being difficult in Canada....
Over the years I have employed three foreign employees on temporary work permits and they qualify for free healthcare after three months residency. Any landed immigrant here can get free health care in a pinch. Our social welfare is extremely easy to tap into for those in need.
 
Ha, Seattle is a great city and I love visiting there. It sounds like it is the perfect city for you.

Our ideal location for a place to live would be some place cheaper, sunnier and even more Socialist. :)

We often get lots of sunny days in a year, but too many of those sunny days are bitter, biting, finger numbing, toe tingling, nose running, -40 with the wind (that's Celsius) days. Just like yesterday, and Monday. Last Wednesday and Thursday..... Etc.

It's just not worth the cheaper COL and the socialist slant.!?!
 
Ditto!
Though maybe an occasional vacation at the five star place ... while traveling and staying in not the hostels but not the five stars...

Dang it! I meant to quote a post on an earlier page here...

I quite suck at this. Sorry.
 
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I just booked a trip to Europe and, for the first time, I'll be flying in business class. Who knows, if I get used to traveling like this I may have to increase my allocation to equities!:D
 
But, but, but you just came back from there.

Anyway, as you move up in the world, I hope you'll still remember us poor peasants, the huddled mass in cramped coach seats, who are not even allowed to use the toilets in the front of the aircraft.

And about increasing allocation to equities, didn't you mean further increasing allocation to biotech stocks? ;)
 
But, but, but you just came back from there.

Anyway, as you move up in the world, I hope you'll still remember us poor peasants, the huddled mass in cramped coach seats, who are not even allowed to use the toilets in the front of the aircraft.

And about increasing allocation to equities, didn't you mean further increasing allocation to biotech stocks? ;)

Yes, I just came back, what can I say...:) Perhaps I won't see much value in paying about 3x more for business class. Moving up in the world does not mean one has to lose sight of value. In the meantime, I have cut back on biotech though it still represents ~20% of my portfolio at the moment. I'll probably cut further in the coming months and move to a more diversified equity portfolio.
 
If and when I have more money to allocate to travel, business seats will take priority over fancy hotels.

Fancy hotels do nothing for me. A small family-run inn has much more charm. But oh, the business seat that flattens out to allow you to sleep through most of the flight and just wake up for meals, compared to the erect coach seat that one contorts his body in, trying to find that elusive position that's comfortable enough for a 15-minute nap. If my love for seeing new places is not as strong as it is, I would not put myself to such torture. But with this aging body, I fear the scale is slowly coming to the tipping point, where I would rather stick with domestic travel in my comfortable motorhome, where my own bed awaits anytime I like to pull over to rest, and a bathroom that I do not have to stand inline for.

Still, if the market keeps going, and EM recovers, just maybe, maybe... One always hopes...
 
We often get lots of sunny days in a year, but too many of those sunny days are bitter, biting, finger numbing, toe tingling, nose running, -40 with the wind (that's Celsius) days. Just like yesterday, and Monday. Last Wednesday and Thursday..... Etc.

It's just not worth the cheaper COL and the socialist slant.!?!

I grew up in the Midwest so I remember those days!
 
If and when I have more money to allocate to travel, business seats will take priority over fancy hotels.

Fancy hotels do nothing for me. A small family-run inn has much more charm. But oh, the business seat that flattens out to allow you to sleep through most of the flight and just wake up for meals, compared to the erect coach seat that one contorts his body in, trying to find that elusive position that's comfortable enough for a 15-minute nap. If my love for seeing new places is not as strong as it is, I would not put myself to such torture. But with this aging body, I fear the scale is slowly coming to the tipping point, where I would rather stick with domestic travel in my comfortable motorhome, where my own bed awaits anytime I like to pull over to rest, and a bathroom that I do not have to stand inline for.

Still, if the market keeps going, and EM recovers, just maybe, maybe... One always hopes...
I don't know - flying business class would double the cost of our trips to Europe.

Can't bring ourselves to pay for that yet.
 
Well, that's one of my reasons for wanting to be rich when old. And at 57, I consider myself old. But nowhere near rich.

A business seat is awfully nice for flight legs of 11 to 15-hour long, although I have been in tightly packed narrow airplanes that were pure torture for the 4-hour domestic leg. And I am not a big or tall guy.
 
Well, that's one of my reasons for wanting to be rich when old. And at 57, I consider myself old. But nowhere near rich.

A business seat is awfully nice for flight legs of 11 to 15-hour long, although I have been in tightly packed narrow airplanes that were pure torture for the 4-hour domestic leg. And I am not a big or tall guy.
9 hrs there in economy plus wasn't bad. That extra $6,000 saved sure will pay for a lot of train tickets, meals and hotels for the two of us while there! Travel within Europe is much much more expensive than US.
 
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