Feeling a slight chill...

Where I work, if you give notice and are known as diligent and conscientious, you will be piled up with assignments by way of thanks so as to extract every last ounce of work out of your hide before you leave.:LOL: The rationale is that it could take months to replace you via the civil service list, so why not! The slackers never leave, and of course they can't be expected to shoulder any additional duties even in the short term. I also think there could be some underpinnings of jealousy in regards to your retirement plans.
 
Rich, I noticed a similar reaction at work. It started toward the end of my notice period and has grown in the 11 months (what am I doing!) that I've been working ten hours a week. My whole career I had a valued voice in decisions and almost always had a seat at the table for important decisions. Now I'm no longer a decision maker or even an influence. I go in, do my very-short-term assignments, and only sometimes hear from others what's going on.

This bothered me at first, but I have become comfortable with it. They have to live with the decisions made -- I don't -- so it seems right to leave it to them. And I am so far out of the office politics! I don't keep track of who is mad at whom, or who the idiot of the week is.

And they have no power over me. That's a very unusual feeling for me at work. I like it.

I hope if you decide to continue for a while that you can find a comfortable environment.

Coach
 
Rich, I noticed a similar reaction at work. It started toward the end of my notice period and has grown in the 11 months (what am I doing!) that I've been working ten hours a week. My whole career I had a valued voice in decisions and almost always had a seat at the table for important decisions. Now I'm no longer a decision maker or even an influence. I go in, do my very-short-term assignments, and only sometimes hear from others what's going on.
Coach, I think you are on to something. People probably recognize that they no longer have a "stake" in you, and I have experienced that from both sides of the table over the years.

I think this type of reaction is rational from the institutional standpoint. For me it's part of letting go. So far, there has not been any personal animosity.

DW took me to a nice dinner tonight. Anniversary (39th) is Sunday and we have plans for tomorrow night. Planning a kid visit and two out-of-town-old-friend visits in April. Spiffing up the RV for future jaunts. It's good.
 
Planning a kid visit and two out-of-town-old-friend visits in April. Spiffing up the RV for future jaunts. It's good.
Yep, give yourself (and your toad) a break (brake). :)

For the next few weeks I'd advise spending the vast majority of your time looking forward, not looking back. Heck, when I was where you are in my ER countdown I had difficulty sleeping - too excited about what the future held!
 
Interesting. When I left mega-corp it was known my boss had 90 days to find a replacement and all knew I might have a bit of input. All of a sudden, people who considered my position an impediment to getting anything done came by to [-]kiss my a$$[/-] seek my opinion. My boss made me attend meetings, that I might otherwise have skipped, to watch the contenders. It was worse than 'working'.
 
Yep, give yourself (and your toad) a break (brake).
No doubt.

Mild milestone: Today I received an email invitation to a wine tasting put on by my alma mater. This is a really fun group of which I am the senior member. It is on a Wednesday night and I instinctlvey reacted with an internal "darn, can't really be doing a wine tasting deep into the night and showing up for work the next day," Wait, I'm not working Thursday. Or Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday. RSVP'd 5 minutes later.

P.S. Speaking of Toads, went with the Blue Ox and BrakeBuddy Classic.
 
Wait, I'm not working Thursday. Or Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday. RSVP'd 5 minutes later.
Yep, it's a whole 'nother way of thinking. Don't worry, you'll catch on in no time...
P.S. Speaking of Toads, went with the Blue Ox and BrakeBuddy Classic.
I have the exact same setup. My only (small) complaint is the remote transmitter plugged into the MH dash doesn't work - too far from the remote transmitter on the Brake Buddy to the get a signal. Not a problem as the BB works fine - I can feel it kick in.
 
No doubt.

Mild milestone: Today I received an email invitation to a wine tasting put on by my alma mater. This is a really fun group of which I am the senior member. It is on a Wednesday night and I instinctlvey reacted with an internal "darn, can't really be doing a wine tasting deep into the night and showing up for work the next day," Wait, I'm not working Thursday. Or Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday. RSVP'd 5 minutes later.

P.S. Speaking of Toads, went with the Blue Ox and BrakeBuddy Classic.

You are ready for the next jump, which is "What day is today?"
 
If hospitals are anything like military bases, then wait a few months until you return to learn that you're invisible. Even "worse", some officious bureaucratic functionary might demand to know your reason for wanting to visit!

Of course you could always put on a lab coat and wrap a stethoscope around your neck. But they might get in the way of your new ponytail...

Oh, this is so true - my husband and I were talking about this - the transient nature of the military and dealing with a mild melancholy as everything changes around you or you change. We have wonderful (and not so wonderful) memories of certain places and people and yet they are not there anymore and if you go back to that geographic place, it is different...in many ways...and yes, some damn bureaucrat makes it difficult to get back in where you once had to go daily.

From the perspective of my previous civilian job, it has been different: people stay there for 20-30+ years, so it is the same...sort of. What's been interesting is that I have moved on, but I call every now and then to say hi to a few of my coworkers I enjoyed working with and are friends....I crack up as they say they miss me and they haven't been able to hire someone with my combination of skills, knowledge and experience --- I told them for years they needed to 'grow' that. It is an ego boost, though, sometimes. However, I don't think I could ever go back - I enjoy my role as an entrepreneur/semi-retired too much now.

Rich_In_Tampa - if your previous position entailed using leadership skills and you were good at it or enjoyed it, it can be difficult to divest yourself of some of that authority - it's nice sometimes to be 'king' or be someone that is relied upon for decision-making. It is hard to let go. So I can understand.

Whatever the toad and bb you are talking about with REWahoo looks like it might be the right diversion :) I guess it's hard to have our intellectual and emotional selves progress at the same rate...so we wait for one or the other to catch up and make us 'in tune' again. Distractions works wonders....
 
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This bothered me at first, but I have become comfortable with it. They have to live with the decisions made -- I don't -- so it seems right to leave it to them. And I am so far out of the office politics! I don't keep track of who is mad at whom, or who the idiot of the week is.


Coach

I agree with Coach that they are the ones who have to live with their decisions. I put in for early retirement in Feb and left the beginning of June. I was taken out of the daily rotation of interviewing in person, interviewing by phone and working on the claims on your desk, to working the front desk and answering phones (not a favorite thing to do in our office) for quite a while. I would answer the phone and it would be a claimant that was on my list wanting to know when I was going to adjudicate his retirement or disability claim and I did not know when I would get to it, since I was doing another job. I felt bad for the people and would have been upset with me if I had been in their shoes. I was also made to go to training meetings when I knew that I would be gone, before it went into effect. I just sat there thinking I could be working on people's cases. Finally, at the end of my career, I was allowed the time to get things cleaned up. Two of the cases that I had for too long, even though they were paid timely, are neighbors that live down the street. I would be thankful, if I were you that you can spend your time more productively, than going to meetings. As soon as I left work, they changed the number combination on the door, so I could not get back in. Also, if I were to go back to visit (only go for the Christmas luncheon and a baby shower), I would be escorted to the break room by the security guard. You are not allowed to go to your former co-workers' desks. I avoid all of it, by not visiting them at work.

Happy 39th Anniversary and enjoy the wine tasting.
 
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My situation is just the opposite, so reading your post has helped reinforce my approach as right for me. I have told no one except DW, and don't intend to until the day I am willing to retire, but that does not mean I want to leave MegaCorp abruptly. When I tell my boss, I will offer to stay through whatever transition he'd like within reason. My direct reports, my peers and my boss will be fine with it, but there is no telling how some of the other suits may react. I think they'll be fine with it but by waiting, I take away their option to spite me in any meaningful way, without hurting themselves...
 
Rich,

I went through something very similar as I also gave a lot of notice. I think the hardest for me was being left out of the decision making process. Last year started a big global initiative in defining, finalizing and rolling out new global procedures for Process Safety Management, and after being a company expert for so many years, it felt weird being in an advisory role only, and not part of the decision making process.

The last 2 months were very much low key, and boring and I couldn't wait for it to end, and even took a few weeks of vacation time rather than work and get paid for the unused days.

If you have the option to get out sooner, then take it, besides, April is only 12 days away.
 
When I went to doing only occasional work for my old firm the relationship changed dramatically. Sometimes feel as if I am just a PITA to them so they do little things to make life just a little more inconvenient for me. Like making it hard to get reimbursed for expenses. Like changing the contract terms each year to take a little more away from me. I go back and forth on whether to completely cut the ties, but I like the bit of work I do and I like the extra spending money so for now I keep on doing it and try to ignore the fact that I am no longer a big shot and in fact have no say in anything my old firm does. Now that I have moved away from town it is easier to ignore them. :)



FWIW.
 
I went through something very similar as I also gave a lot of notice. I think the hardest for me was being left out of the decision making process. Last year started a big global initiative in defining, finalizing and rolling out new global procedures for Process Safety Management, and after being a company expert for so many years, it felt weird being in an advisory role only, and not part of the decision making process.

I am beginning to realize how very lucky I was that my immediate supervisor had been my closest friend at work and was a really nice person.

I gave over six months' notice. After I gave notice, I was invited to every relevant in-house meeting. I chose to sit on the periphery and not at the conference table itself, and to participate in an advisory role (mostly!! :2funny:) in order to encourage participation by my soon-to-be successor and supervisor. If/when they needed help, or if/when things got too intense and upper management required my input, I was there.
 
When I went to doing only occasional work for my old firm the relationship changed dramatically. Sometimes feel as if I am just a PITA to them so they do little things to make life just a little more inconvenient for me. Like making it hard to get reimbursed for expenses. Like changing the contract terms each year to take a little more away from me. I go back and forth on whether to completely cut the ties, but I like the bit of work I do and I like the extra spending money so for now I keep on doing it and try to ignore the fact that I am no longer a big shot and in fact have no say in anything my old firm does. Now that I have moved away from town it is easier to ignore them.
So, what's that about? Jealousy? Betrayal?
 
It used to be in the prison system here that they never told an inmate when he was getting out. They could estimate within a few months, but the exact date was a surprise. The inmate would be woken up at about 0300 and told to pack his stuff while a guard watched. Within minutes he was shutoff from his cellmate and the rest of the population and would be on his way out of the system, usually arriving home on a bus in less than 24 hours.

They did it that way because when other inmates knew an inmate's release date they would give him a good beating as a bon voyage present.

It's a tribal membership thing - either you are one of us or you are an outsider.

The work group will move on without you - it has to. And no matter what a beloved ray of sunshine you might have been in the workdays of your colleagues, when you announce you're cutting the ties that bind you to them is the moment they start cutting those ties from their end. The members of the group that you are leaving have to change their relationship with you so they can fill the hole and continue on their journey, which is now separate from your journey.

I understand the reasons people give for wanting to make some kind of gradual transition into retirement. To be honest I think a lot of it is just fear of making the leap - but that's another discussion. Whatever the reasons for it, semi-retiring as a member of a work group means that your co-workers are a little confused (does this go to him or his replacement?), see your situation as a PITA they have to deal with (he needs to handle this but he won't be in until Tuesday, what do I do with it between now and then?), and eventually come to see you as something of an outsider who is meddling in stuff that doesn't affect you (who cares what he thinks? he won't even be here when we actually start the work on that).

They may love you, think you're the best guy ever, cry when you finally leave, and talk about you for years later (God, I miss that guy). But right now, you're somewhere between loyal tribe member and beloved memory. You're the hybrid freak of the workplace that is breaking the norms of the tribe - neither fish nor fowl.

As you can guess, I'm not a fan of the drag it out school of leaving the workplace. In the big blue machine I experienced transfers that I (and my co-workers) knew about for months in advance, and I've experienced the "Monday at 0900 you are to report to your new assignment" transfers. Both have personal and professional advantages and disadvantages. I came to appreciate the quick break and developed the habit of keeping a box under my desk so I was always ready to pack quickly. My retirement was that quick as well.
 
It used to be in the prison system here that they never told an inmate when he was getting out. They could estimate within a few months, but the exact date was a surprise. The inmate would be woken up at about 0300 and told to pack his stuff while a guard watched. Within minutes he was shutoff from his cellmate and the rest of the population and would be on his way out of the system, usually arriving home on a bus in less than 24 hours.
They did it that way because when other inmates knew an inmate's release date they would give him a good beating as a bon voyage present.
I had to read this three times before I realized it was a factual description, not a metaphor.

Oddly enough the prison story reminds me of my last submarine. We'd just finished a huge drydocking and were catching up on training for our next deployment in six months. Everyone was heartily glad to be out of shipyard-- life had sucked so badly that we were really looking forward to deploying. The CO's relief was in the pipeline and would arrive in about six weeks, enough time to finish getting ready for the deployment and taking us out there. So we knew we'd have a change of command in about eight or nine weeks.

But until then our current CO was still in charge of pre-deployment training. He was a John Wayne character with big brass ones that clanked together whenever he swaggered down the passageway, and it was clear that he was really getting into the training. He sort of knew that he wouldn't be accompanying us but it was his last pre-deployment training as a CO. He wanted everything to be perfect and ready to go before the new guy had a chance to screw it all up. He didn't let anyone wander a millimeter off the path that he felt he'd carefully charted to get the crew where they needed to be, and he jumped in as soon as he detected any sign of trouble... whether trouble was actually there or not. It was tiresome but you could tell that he really wanted to inculcate us all with the last iota of all his warfighting experience before he had to hand over the boat.

One day we were getting the wardroom brief on the special deployment equipment that would be installed soon. It included a bunch of whiz-bang stuff guaranteed to help us track the heck out of everything and shoot magic weapons at it-- the usual marketing festival before reality set in. After hearing about one piece of especially cool equipment that promised to solve a bunch of traditional problems, our CO burst out enthusiastically "Goddamn we're going to have a great bunch of gear for this deployment!"

As we were enjoying the moment of warm anticipation that followed this cheerleading, the XO quietly dropped his own little burst: "No sir. We're going to have a great bunch of gear for this deployment. You're going to be sitting in that building over there next to the admiral's office pushing a bunch of paperwork."

The CO froze, his eyes got big and round, his moustache bristled, and he snapped his head around to look at the man who'd had the audacity to throw cold water on his excitement. He uttered the traditional CO's feedback ("f#@% you too, XO"), leaped up out of his chair, and stomped out of the wardroom.

We didn't see much of the CO after that. He pretty much let the XO run the show right up through the change of command. As the XO had gently reminded him that he should have been doing all along...
 
I had to read this three times before I realized it was a factual description, not a metaphor.
It puzzled me the first time I heard that story. But it just proves that every culture has its own standards of conduct. Just because you're a crook, and don't abide by "normal" society's norms doesn't mean you're exempt from the crooked society's rules. The relevance here is something similar to the "blood in - blood out" philosophy you see in a lot of gangs. You have to prove that you're tough enough to belong by taking a beating from several established gang members - "jumping in" it's called. And when you decided to retire from the gang, they kick your ass to take away all the status and "respect" you earned while you were a member.

It sounds weird in that context, but all groups do something similar to people who say "I don't want to belong anymore". I read a book about Amish (or a similar group, I forget now) that allows their youth a period during their teens in which they can live a life similar to what the rest of society has. They drive cars, wear "normal" clothes, live away from the community, work normal jobs, have girlfriends, listen to music, go to parties, etc. But after a couple of years they have to make a decision to either commit to the religion and the community or hoof it back to the real world. Those that elect to leave are just written off and forgotten about. Those that stay have to abide by the norms of the community about how to live, dress, talk, etc. Trying to waffle between one world and the next brings the risk of being punished by the community - from being publicly shamed, ridiculed, chastised to outright banishment and shunning. That message is clear; you can choose to be one of us, but when your commitment waivers we will force you to re-commit or leave.

I don't think it's strange at all. Any system is going to look out for it's health and viability. A foreign body, or a normal component that suddenly turns foreign, is going to be unwanted. The system will naturally try to isolate it, neutralize it and attempt to force it out.
We didn't see much of the CO after that. He pretty much let the XO run the show right up through the change of command. As the XO had gently reminded him that he should have been doing all along...
Somebody just had to explain to him that FIGMO has more than one connotation.
 
Oh, definitely. I don't miss the meetings at all. It's the not-being-invited thing that is different.

I know this is a transient and even superficial thing in the larger picture. Just kind of tracking and reacting - I've never done this before ;).

Will he stay or will he go?

Rich, you can't have it both ways. You want to ESR, ergo, it just isn't appropriate to invite you to meetings. :LOL:
 
So, what's that about? Jealousy? Betrayal?

Meh. I think it is a current board where the members view your value as your productivity. I think that want me either to be more productive or go but won't force the issue because they know my client won't stay if I go. Fits with what Leo says. I don't fit in the culture.
 
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all you folk on the way out the door - maybe download, print, and post some of these signs on your way out....

CORPORATE FUN!
 
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