More Love from (to) Honda

[wolf]

We just had our first regular oil change since 'the fix'. The shop did not find gas in the oil.

Interesting. Why don't you pull out the oil dip stick, and do the smell test.

Let us know what you smell.

 

[Bamaman]

Just to update:
I am following the advice of one poster, I think it was Bamaman, on my first thread about the oil dilution issue, and have ordered a test kit from Blackstone Labs, and will have the oil changed out (not at the dealer), and tested. I showed my neighbor the oil on the dipstick, and he smelled it and agreed 100% it smelled like gasoline. It smells just like gas that one has added 2-stroke oil to.

also talked to a lawyer who informs me that a Lemon Law case is not applicable until one has actually suffered a loss, such as a loss of service of the vehicle, and they have to have had at least one chance to fix the issue. This is as I expected. At this point there has been no loss of service. However he said it was a good thing to have all of the interactions on the service record, and to have the oil tested.
I will report back when I have the oil report.

I agree with Hadenuff. It never hurts from time to time to have Blackstone Labs test any lubricants on any vehicle, especially if you're burning oil at a faster than normal rate. An analysis is just over $20.

Any state's Lemon Laws are going to require any dealer/manufacturer the opportunity to fix any problematic vehicle. States vary on what is a "lemon", but it's numerous times for the same repair and when they fail to fix the car. FYI: The buyback is essentially the factory's responsibility to fix, and the dealer is not liable financially on the buyback.

If one dealer cannot fix a warranty problem, there's no reason the owner cannot request another dealer attempt the repair. All service departments are not created equal.

Because Honda (and other manufacturers) have had problems with specific engines or transmission problems, don't write them off. They can always reengineer their problems and fix the issues.

Honda is what I call a Tier I automobile manufacturer. They have very good engineers and the financial resources to face a problem. They have a long history of superlative vehicles, and really good dealerships. Don't write off Hondas as fine automobiles yet. Even though one engine has had some problems, not all vehicles sold have engine problems.

(Note: I worked in the auto industry 24 years, but changed industries until ER. My family members previously owned a couple of Honda dealerships but now owns a big city luxury car dealership.)

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

"...a Lemon Law case is not applicable until one has actually suffered a loss, such as a loss of service of the vehicle.."

Has it been in the shop for this? Were you able to use the vehicle while it was in the shop? Were you given a loaner? I am not offering legal advice here, but that *smells* like loss of service to me.

 

[HadEnuff]

Has it been in the shop for this? Were you able to use the vehicle while it was in the shop? Were you given a loaner? I am not offering legal advice here, but that *smells* like loss of service to me.

it was in the shop for an hour for the fix. I don't think that qualifies.

 

[DrRoy]

Independent

 

[DrRoy]

Interesting. Why don't you pull out the oil dip stick, and do the smell test.

Let us know what you smell.

I did that before the oil change. I couldn’t say there was zero gas smell, but it was definitely better than before the fix.

 

[VanWinkle]

I agree with Hadenuff. It never hurts from time to time to have Blackstone Labs test any lubricants on any vehicle, especially if you're burning oil at a faster than normal rate. An analysis is just over $20.

Any state's Lemon Laws are going to require any dealer/manufacturer the opportunity to fix any problematic vehicle. States vary on what is a "lemon", but it's numerous times for the same repair and when they fail to fix the car. FYI: The buyback is essentially the factory's responsibility to fix, and the dealer is not liable financially on the buyback.

If one dealer cannot fix a warranty problem, there's no reason the owner cannot request another dealer attempt the repair. All service departments are not created equal.

Because Honda (and other manufacturers) have had problems with specific engines or transmission problems, don't write them off. They can always reengineer their problems and fix the issues.

Honda is what I call a Tier I automobile manufacturer. They have very good engineers and the financial resources to face a problem. They have a long history of superlative vehicles, and really good dealerships. Don't write off Hondas as fine automobiles yet. Even though one engine has had some problems, not all vehicles sold have engine problems.

(Note: I worked in the auto industry 24 years, but changed industries until ER. My family members previously owned a couple of Honda dealerships but now owns a big city luxury car dealership.)

+1

 

[Texas Proud]

I like Hondas but they seem to have their share of design flaws which they eventually correct. The transmission problems in our 2000 Odyssey came after a complete redesign for the 1999 model year. The rear alignment issue on the Civic was an early 8th generation problem. Someone suggested that buying a few years after a redesign might help. I think all the auto manufacturers are reluctant to accept responsibility for problems. Toyota gave people a hard time on the V6 engine sludge problem for years.

From what I read the Honda transmission problem was over many years and many cars including Acura... they did not fix it for a LONG time...


One person I knew had 3 replacements for a total of 4 transmissions...

 

[wolf]

From what I read the Honda transmission problem was over many years and many cars including Acura... they did not fix it for a LONG time...


One person I knew had 3 replacements for a total of 4 transmissions...

Again, that was me. 2001 purchased new. On 4th transmission now.
211,000 miles and still running. If you do the research on Honda Odyssey, you will find many issues concerning engines, transmissions, etc. Honda quality
and willingness to "fix" problems very poor.

Honda corp, will issue a TSB fix, which just puts a band aid on the problem.
Or extends the warranty/mileage. Which usually expires right before your
van breaks down.

 

[Texas Proud]

Again, that was me. 2001 purchased new. On 4th transmission now.
211,000 miles and still running. If you do the research on Honda Odyssey, you will find many issues concerning engines, transmissions, etc. Honda quality
and willingness to "fix" problems very poor.

Honda corp, will issue a TSB fix, which just puts a band aid on the problem.
Or extends the warranty/mileage. Which usually expires right before your
van breaks down.

It was actually someone who bought an Acura TL...



I bought a 6 speed manual in 2004 and was on the forum, people with auto said that transmission was the same... seems they had some kind of oil spray on the gears and did not have one where it was needed... once they put one there it was fixed for good.. I never had a problem...