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My mother taught me two important things that bear on this issue:
1. Patience is a virtue.
2. Care for other people.
1. Patience is a virtue.
2. Care for other people.
But isn't the idea behind the continued mask wearing that vaccinated people can still pass the virus to unvaccinated people? I'm willing to continue taking precautions until everyone who wants to get vaccinated has the opportunity to do so.
My 50th high school reunion was suppose to have been last summer--of course it had to be postponed. It is rescheduled for June of this year and I was trying to decide if I wanted to go, I live about 1.5 hours away. Today I get an email about the reunion, it is going to be held inside at a country club, probably about 100-150 people in attendance. The email said masks were "optional" (even though this will violate state rules) and that the food was going to be a buffet. That made up my mind-- I responded I would not be coming. I thought people in my high school class were smarter than this, I guess I am wrong.
Same here. Until cases drop a lot more.But isn't the idea behind the continued mask wearing that vaccinated people can still pass the virus to unvaccinated people? I'm willing to continue taking precautions until everyone who wants to get vaccinated has the opportunity to do so.
Exactly!I think the idea is more behind:
A) we're not 100% on vaccines = no transmission, but we're getting there
B) we can't tell by looking if you're vaccinated or not, so A is moot
C) the infection rates are still alarmingly high, and the virus continues to mutate, also meaning A isn't ironclad even if true
D) we don't know, yet, for sure, how effective all these measure are against variants, even more also meaning A isn't ironclad even if true
so stay vigilant for a few more months till we know and see the rates go down to very low numbers.
You see it by infections going way, way down.I agree to a point. I will wear take precautions in accordance with applicable rules. But I'm not about to try to figure out whether everyone who wants to get vaccinated has had the opportunity to do so.
I'm sorry, I have to give an alternate opinion.
Once you get the vaccine and it has taken effect, you are about 90% immune, and virtually zero risk of being hospitalized for COVID.
That puts it in flu risk territory (or less), which we haven't gone crazy about and kept out lives shut down for the flu since 1918.
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If you are still concerned about COVID and afraid to go about your life, that's your business. As long as you don't expect me to continue staying in my bunker to ameliorate your (in my opinion, unfounded) fear, I'm good with it.
FTR, I had COVID in December, and I got vaccinated four weeks ago. I'm good, I'm done.
I'll get off my soapbox now.
The times we went to a buffet was as the door was opened for business. Otherwise you take your chances with people handling the food and putting it back into the pans, sneezing on the food, using serving spoons after wiping their nose with their hands, etc. May or may not have been any better eating the food as they were just put out. They could have been serving yesterday's food warmed up first. We stopped going quite some time ago before Covid.One can only hope.
There are few worse things in life than scooping drek food out of stainless steel pans on a steam table.
Yep. One of our Florida favorites, Sweet Tomatoes (Soup Plantation in other areas) closed. We eat there once or twice on every Florida trip.I’ve seen entire restaurant chains based on buffet dining go out of business due to COVID.
Drink refills are another touchy subject. Costco still won’t let me refill my soda without having an employee do it for me. And most of the self serve restaurants with drink fountains have gone the same way.
But isn't the idea behind the continued mask wearing that vaccinated people can still pass the virus to unvaccinated people? I'm willing to continue taking precautions until everyone who wants to get vaccinated has the opportunity to do so.
+1. That’s why we still wear masks, lots of people have died, less than half of people have completed vaccinations, and infection rates are still high. Plus - how hard is it to wear a simple mask? Some people are making way too much of being asked to wear a mask IMO.I agree to a point. I will wear take precautions in accordance with applicable rules. But I'm not about to try to figure out whether everyone who wants to get vaccinated has had the opportunity to do so.
Did they lower their price? No they did not.
The times we went to a buffet was as the door was opened for business. Otherwise you take your chances with people handling the food and putting it back into the pans, sneezing on the food, using serving spoons after wiping their nose with their hands, etc. May or may not have been any better eating the food as they were just put out. They could have been serving yesterday's food warmed up first. We stopped going quite some time ago before Covid.
Cheers!
You mentioned that most fast food restaurants have gone that way. It is more than Costco.I don’t understand your point. A hotdog and soda is $1.50. They still offer free drink refills, but now they have to keep a Costco employee stationed at the soda fountain to pour the drink for you, so their labor costs went up. Why would they lower their price?
You mentioned that most fast food restaurants have gone that way. It is more than Costco.
Not having self serve refills will result in less soda consumption. It is a pain to get a refill from busy counter staff. You also have to impose yourself and "cut in line." Chick-fil-A never had self serve, so you have to ask for your refill. I find the value of soda there to be poor due to that. It is not My Pleasure to have to beg for refills.
So... no self serve means less soda, meaning they should drop the price. That's all I'm sayin'
And, yes, I have a soda problem. So be it.
I dined in a restaurant last week for the first time in a year. It was a really nice experience and something I’ve truly missed. Restaurants just started serving indoors again recently in California. Capacity is limited to 50% right now so the restaurants I’ve been to have not been crowded. I do see some smaller restaurants ignoring the rules and packing every table. I won’t eat at those places. I’ve had both Pfizer shots so I feel comfortable eating in restaurants that adhere to the 50% rule.
What has been your experience with restaurant dining?
I don't plan to do indoors until well after my 2nd shot, and even then only in a good, well aired, non-cramped place.
Besides, outdoors is always my preference, and I live in S. Fla, so don't whine to me about how hot it is. Our favorite sushi place has a small row of outdoor tables, and "our table" has been one that was 12+ feet from the next even before the pandemic. Bonus, it's under a big overhang from the building.
It'll be July before it's stinking hot outdoors in the evening, so I'll see then if we'd prefer to try back inside for the summer, but unlikely for now.
Its funny, here in Wyoming where I live, its windy. Nobody really offers outdoor dining in my area. We talked about it at length when I was designing our downtown revitalization project about 10 years ago. None of the restaurants wanted to offer outdoor dining because everyone would have the wind blowing coal dust and sand into your mashed potatoes. I thought it was pretty funny.
I'm sorry, I have to give an alternate opinion.
Once you get the vaccine and it has taken effect, you are about 90% immune, and virtually zero risk of being hospitalized for COVID.
That puts it in flu risk territory (or less), which we haven't gone crazy about and kept out lives shut down for the flu since 1918.
We have shut down our economy and lives for FAR too long, with an overly risk adverse public policy approach to COVID. Now, people are saying, well, now we have the vaccine...that's still not enough to move on. Well, if the vaccine isn't enough, we're NEVER going to reopen. That's not acceptable.
That's enough risk mitigation to move on and get on with my life.
I just think it's a counterproductive message if you tell people, hey, get the vaccine, it's great, but by the way you're going to have to continue to mask, distance, etc.
If you're a medical worker working with COVID patients, by all means, you should continue to utilize infection control, you should do that COVID or otherwise.
If you are still concerned about COVID and afraid to go about your life, that's your business. As long as you don't expect me to continue staying in my bunker to ameriorate your (in my opinion, unfounded) fear, I'm good with it.
FTR, I had COVID in December, and I got vaccinated four weeks ago. I'm good, I'm done.
I'll get off my soapbox now.