What does a simple will cost?

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Met with attorney who specializes in eldercare today. Our wills are 21 years old and we want to make some changes.

He said each will will cost $350. That sounds pretty steep for the same simple will. The only difference between the 2 wills is our names.

Granted, this guy is very good and knowledgable... he will also update our Medical Directives for $150 each.
 
Depends on location and complexity of the wills of course but we recently paid $800 for will, POA, heath care directive, and final disposition paperwork. Of course, I'm in WV, not a high COL area.

But $350 for a will doesn't sound terribly out of line. A bit over a decade ago ours was $200 for the will only.
 
If you're a veteran, you might be able to get a simple will done for nothing.
http://www.va.gov/ogc/docs/LegalServices.pdf

As a retired AF guy, I can get that sort of service free at most base legal offices, but the VA does provide some free service at many of their facilities to any veteran.
 
Has anyone tried Do-it-Yourself Wills sold via online websites viz. Legalzoom for preparing a will?
 
Check out Nolo press too.

However, there are huge advantages to a law office doing your will, if only to finalize it. They will keep a copy and can represent your estate after you die. A lawyer saved me and my family-owned property from a huge headache when my aunt (who dealt with a cancer for 5 years!!!?!) died and my uncle claimed he couldn't find her will.


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Check out Nolo press too.

However, there are huge advantages to a law office doing your will, if only to finalize it. They will keep a copy and can represent your estate after you die. A lawyer saved me and my family-owned property from a huge headache when my aunt (who dealt with a cancer for 5 years!!!?!) died and my uncle claimed he couldn't find her will.

Around here you can file a confidential copy of your will at the county office for a nominal fee ($25).

-gauss
 
Has anyone tried Do-it-Yourself Wills sold via online websites viz. Legalzoom for preparing a will?

I've used WillMaker (software) and like it but haven't finalized anything yet. If anything it certainly is educational and worth looking at even if you decide to have one drawn up by a lawyer.
 
For those of you with do-it-yourself wills, I'm curious about who witnesses one. In my state I think 2 witnesses are required that are not heirs. Lawyer offices can usually provide the witnesses, but for DIY do you ask a friend or neighbor or what? Was there that "No, really, I'm not dying. I just need a will" awkward moment?
 
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Depends on location and complexity of the wills of course but we recently paid $800 for will, POA, heath care directive, and final disposition paperwork. Of course, I'm in WV, not a high COL area.

But $350 for a will doesn't sound terribly out of line. A bit over a decade ago ours was $200 for the will only.

We paid $500 a couple weeks ago for wills, health care directives and durable powers of atty.

A different attorney's name had been recommended to us by an acquaintance who is also an attorney in our town. And, the attorney he suggested has/had a great reputation We were a little worried about what such a person might charge, with his credentials, but we planned on calling and making an appointment.

What do you know, a few days later the recommended attorney was in the news for drug violations.

Since we did not know when that person might be available, plus we now had some doubts, we asked around some more and got the name of the attorney we ended up with. She spent a long time with us, answering questions. We emailed back and forth a half dozen times before coming up with documents we were at peace with.
 
Am a Fan of Legal zoom dot com for wills and living trusts and the medical care directives/POAs. Less than $800 for each of us to do our own.
 
I'm hoping to update ours soon with one of the programs out there. But so far I haven't committed to a program yet.


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$350 sounds like a good deal. I just paid $1,000 for a will, POA, and health proxy in NYC.


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My lawyer did my simple will about 7 years ago for $130.
 
Am a Fan of Legal zoom dot com for wills and living trusts and the medical care directives/POAs. Less than $800 for each of us to do our own.

Holy crap, that seems like a LOT of money for a paper mill. Did they do a trust for you too or something?

I am personally not a fan of the paper mills...way too many disclosures that include "we aren't responsible..." It's worth a few hundred bucks for the peace of mind of using someone local who deals with probate day in and day out.
 
DW's uncle used LegalZoom with DW named as the Exectutor. Not included in the instructions was the requirement that if you are named in the will you cannot sign as a witness. Even thought my wife received no money from the disbursement she was named executor, and thus the probate court would not accept the will. In the end, it cost a lot more money in legal fees that would have been saved to use a local attorney. Not to mention the additional headaches.
 
Reading about Estate Planning right now. We have no need to update our Will, but need POA (finance). Did "5 Wishes" for medical to cover Medical Directive.
I think we will set up a trust and have the Will as a backup. The Trust will avoid Probate. I'm just finishing up Probate for my Mom (she had a Will) over a year later. I'd rather my daughter not have to deal with the PITA process.
A Trust just needs to be notarized and your asset beneficiary forms updated to be left to the trust.
I'll be checking out required forms thru NOLO.
Anyone else used NOLO?


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I like using a reputable law firm - they store the will, etc. in perpetuity


Plus make sure you get an attorney that is younger than you just to make sure he/she outlives ya ;)
 
For those of you with do-it-yourself wills, I'm curious about who witnesses one. In my state I think 2 witnesses are required that are not heirs. Lawyer offices can usually provide the witnesses, but for DIY do you ask a friend or neighbor or what? Was there that "No, really, I'm not dying. I just need a will" awkward moment?

Good question.

I was planning to go to my Credit Union and hopefully they will be able to provide a few witnesses in addition to the notary service.

If that idea flames out, then I may ask the contingent Personal Representatives to join me to witness in that they are not beneficiaries.

I would also be interested in what others have successfully done to execute a will (sign/notarize/witness and make self-proving).

-gauss
 
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I wanna say we paid $25 bucks for the paper work from Dave Ramsey site. Our financial group notarized for nothing. They as simple wills no trust .


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Good question.

I was planning to go to my Credit Union and hopefully they will be able to provide a few witnesses in addition to the notary service.

If that idea flames out, then I may ask the contingent Personal Representatives to join me to witness in that they are not beneficiaries.

I would also be interested in what others have successfully done to execute a will (sign/notarize/witness and make self-proving).

-gauss

I have used my local bank for forms that needed multiple witnesses. Usually, the 'office stores' (UPS Store, Mail Boxes Etc) are usually helpful in this regards too..as long as they have a few people working at the time.
 
I happily used willing.com for free.

Here is a recent review that led me to them.

-gauss

Thanks for the link.

My old Will was way outdated so I gave this a try. It handled everything I needed. I used 2 neighbors as my witnesses. Heading out on a 2 week trip next week so figured I better get things updated in case I end up being a smudge mark on an 18 wheeler.
 
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my feeling is there is no such thing as a simple will in most states.

i firmly believe when it comes to this stuff with no do overs allowed do not use internet canned documents , see a specialist.

i have dealt with one defective will and 1 defective trust already in my lifetime.

much of what protects your wishes is not even in the documents. it is protocol and is the questions asked at the signing in front of witnesses.

state laws change on the fly . we had a co-worker hit a snag because the internet form used was not the new statutory form required as mentioned below.

we hit a snag on the refinance of a house we inherited through a simple will.

it read i leave my house and possessions to my child beth.

the title company stopped the refinance since a word was missing. that word was ONLY " as in only child.

well i had to pay all the attorneys for the day and lost my rate while we got affidavits there were no other children.

we had a court rule a trust defective as well as it lacked a sentence relating to predeceasing the parents.


as the judge told us , it is clear what the intentions were but he cannot re-write history or add missing words.



some of the issues those who use canned documents in our state ,ny run in to are :

Preparing and executing a valid health care proxy provides a good illustration. The health care proxy is a document that allows an individual (the “principal”) to appoint an agent to make health care decisions in case he/she becomes incapacitated. The main purpose of the health care proxy is to appoint an agent. There is a presumption that the agent knows the principal’s wishes. Nonetheless, according to New York State case law, if a principal’s wishes regarding the withholding of artificial nutrition and hydration are not articulated, an agent will not be able to make such decision. Based on this case law, it is imperative for the principal to set forth his/her wishes regarding the administering of artificial nutrition and hydration either in the actual health care proxy or in a separate living will. Failure to do this can result in unforeseen consequences – which is exactly what the principal was trying to avoid in the first place. Secondly, many individuals erroneously believe that they can appoint more than one agent at a time on a health care proxy. This would make the document faulty because only one agent at a time can make medical decisions. A person drafting a health care proxy can add language to avoid insulting other family members, but again- this requires the help of someone with experience. Finally, the document must be witnessed by two individuals in order for it to be validly recognized. A person should not have his agent, spouse or child be a witness to the signing.

We see even more problems in the area of powers of attorney. The main thrust of a power of attorney is to appoint an agent to act on an individual’s behalf with respect to financial matters in case such individual becomes incapacitated. Many people innocently refer to this document as one that is “simple” to prepare. This could not be further from the truth. Firstly, New York State passed legislation effective September 2009 in an attempt to create a statutory form that would be uniformly accepted. This legislation was the result of tremendous abuse that was found in this particular area, with some appointed agents taking advantage of the disabled and elderly.

The new power of attorney law results in a much lengthier document, and significantly restricts the actual power given to the agent over financial matters. If transfers are to be made on behalf of the principal, a separate gift rider must be executed. The gift rider must specifically articulate the agent’s power to make gifts to himself/herself or to third parties. Further, any additional powers beyond those enumerated in the statute, must be added to a modification section. Finally, while the law mandates banks, brokerage houses and other financial institutions to recognize the power of attorney, the form utilized must be statutory. Accordingly, if someone decides to cut corners and download a form from the internet, this may result in a tremendous disservice because if the form is not statutory, it does not have to be legally recognized. The power of attorney is an extremely important tool for estate and elder law practitioner. If the principal incorrectly drafts and/or executes this form, his/her ultimate plans regarding Medicaid eligibility or gifting to loved ones could be completely stymied. It is imperative to have this document prepared by an experienced practitioner.

A last will and testament is yet another document that must be prepared under the supervision of any experienced attorney. After the person who executed the will dies (the “decedent”), the will gets admitted to probate through surrogate’s court so that the decedent’s wishes can ultimately be fulfilled. Through the probate process, the will is reviewed and the court checks to make sure the will was drafted and executed properly. The number of witnesses, the affidavit they sign and the way the will is fastened are some examples of what the court reviews. Any mistakes, such as the removal of a staple or an ambiguous bequest can result in unnecessary delays, costly legal fees, and at worse, an inability to complete the probate process.
 
WillMaker recommends that you pick a witness that you know, but is not in the will. In some cases (probably rare) they may have to testify in court that they saw you sign the document and vouch for your competency at the time of signing.
 
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