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Old 08-29-2011, 12:31 PM   #121
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Irene was a big bad storm and people needed to understand what was happening to take steps to protect life and property. IMHO, part of the problem is 24/7 coverage geared at keeping people interested. That's how we end up with Ali Velchi standing on a beach wearing a CNN slicker.

Let's see how they handle the next one. Tropical Depression 12 is predicted to be a hurricane by Thursday. If so, it'll be named Katia.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:33 PM   #122
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"Overhyping" does have a downside: evacuation fatigue. I bet there's a cycle: hype evac fizzle hype evac fizzle less hype no evac fizzle no hype no evac Katrina.
Guilty as charged. !998 to 2003 the biggies George and Ivan turned at the last minute so I waited longer and didn't pack as much for Katrina.

We did have enough sense to evacuate though.

heh heh heh - file cabinets of DRIP plans and tax records are not the same as family pictures and other irreplaceable items.

heh heh heh -
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:43 PM   #123
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The New York City MTA has a Flickr stream up for the curious. Pictures cover everything from temporary seawall construction at some tunnel entries, to pumpout work at some stations, to just why MTA-North is still out. (Mudslides, trees, third rail underwater...)

Flickr: MTAPhotos' Photostream
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Guilty as charged. !998 to 2003 the biggies George and Ivan turned at the last minute so I waited longer and didn't pack as much for Katrina.
Me too - - don't feel bad! We didn't leave until the day before Katrina hit, and I just took an overnight bag with two days of clothing and my laptop computer. I even left my car in New Orleans, and rode with him instead. I had essentially nothing and that made the awful experience of sitting in Huntsville and watching our city drown on CNN, even scarier.

After that, I drove my car and took everything but the kitchen sink with me when we evacuated for Hurricane Gustav. And now, I have the Venza so even more will fit in it for future evacuations.
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Saw on the internet that Hatteras Island is cutoff from the mainland of the Outer Banks in NC. Photos showed all the roads washed out so they started the ferry service again. The photos showed big beautiful houses sitting right there at waters edge, just waiting to be washed away or blown away. Could have happened in a stronger storm. These photos and story prompted me to post this question:

I understand flood insurance and hurricane insurance is not available if you live on a barrier island (special area designation). I heard before that if you live in one of those areas, there is some federal program that rebuilds you house if it is destroyed. I was reminded of that the other day when DW told me that the FOX reporter John Stossel had his house rebuilt by the fed. Being he is a Liberatarian he personally doesn't believe in that system or method but says "if the government is going to do this for me I'm not going to turn it down". Anybody know about this rebuilding program? Maybe it should be the start of another thread.
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I heard that too, Johnnie, but just assumed he had flood insurance from FEMA. If it isn't available there, I didn't know that. It is available everywhere in New Orleans. It just costs more for those of us in less than favorable flood zones.
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Around here, there are programs sponsored by the states to help people get insurance (high risk pools) if they can't purchase it on the open market. We had regular flood insurance on our beach house, but we had to buy our wind coverage from the Wind and Hail Pool. As you might imagine, it is VERY expensive compared to conventional policies.

One of the many reasons we sold our house at the beach and moved to an island with less hurricane exposure was the escalation of insurance costs. Even now our insurance is pretty expensive, but we don't carry flood (not in a flood zone and built on piers) and the wind is included in our HO3 policy.

I don't know anyone whose house was "rebuilt by the fed". I think that might be a bit of a flight of fancy, designed to irritate the inlanders.
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I understand flood insurance and hurricane insurance is not available if you live on a barrier island (special area designation). I heard before that if you live in one of those areas, there is some federal program that rebuilds you house if it is destroyed. I was reminded of that the other day when DW told me that the FOX reporter John Stossel had his house rebuilt by the fed.
The Federal Coastal Barrier Resources Act excludes 1.3 million acres of barrier islands and floodplains from federal subsidies, like the federally backed flood and hurricane insurance programs. One can still build there, but not with the cheaper insurance.

However, ...

The House and Senate have passed dozens of "technical corrections" to restore federal subsidies to favored constituents' properties. My favorite was the 1999 correction that removed a 200 acre parcel on North Captiva (SW Florida) in the wealthiest zip code in America from the 'no subsidy' list. Some poor soul needed gummint help to cover his insurance costs...
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Hurricane Irene brings new Darwin Award nominees

Cops: Man refused to heed Milford evacuation order, threatened to burn marina- The New Haven Register - Serving New Haven, Connecticut

Onlookers Urged Pair Not To Canoe Pequabuck In Bristol - Courant.com

There must be something about boats that brings out the worst.
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Well, if the guy in the canoe had no offspring he certainly is eligible for a Darwin Award
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Welcome back online to all those wet folks in the storm path, and good luck with the clean up. I'd offer to help but I'm a bit busy right now.

Shout out to Brewer who has amazing timing and could not have chosen a better moment to leave the east coast.
Ah, if only my sale had closed before this I would have avoided a lot of worry. House came through OK and hopefully the sale is still on. My reward for selling the house will be switching my cell to a CO number.
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:54 PM   #132
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we were visiting family for a wedding on the east coast, and were in an evacuation zone so headed out late Saturday after the wedding. The Mass pike was bumper to bumper but we eventually got home. Most of family still without power, also no cell service so have had limited contact but everyone is safe. Today sis told me that there are trees down everywhere, much flooding, no internet or TV but they were lucky enough to get power restored to their house late today. They anticipate that some areas will take several weeks to clean up.
Did anyone see the Vermont pics? Holy cow! Old covered bridges being wiped out, many roads washed away. I think when they finally make contact with everyone the death toll will be much higher.
to those who think the evacuations were overdone, I can tell you that getting in and around NYC is very difficult in the best of situations. After seeing the chaos of Katrina I think they did the right thing by being so cautious. As usual, there were several candidates for the Darwin award along with the unfortunates who were killed by fires or downed trees.
If you haven't read "Zeitoun" by Dave Eggers about the aftermath of Katrina you really should- it will put things in much better perspective.
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Ah, if only my sale had closed before this I would have avoided a lot of worry. House came through OK and hopefully the sale is still on. My reward for selling the house will be switching my cell to a CO number.
Oh..excuse me. Good luck with the closing. Hope I didn't jinx anything.

You still were the first one to evacuate...
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To All: We weathered the storm here in SE Va with only periodic power outages but without internet or cable TV. We now have both of these services back as of an hour or so ago ...so now can communicate and see all of what is going on. Some of our neighboring counties and cities however may not be so fortunate. We had over 12 inches of rain, lost a couple of trees (not on the house) and spent yesterday and today cleaning up. It could have been worse. But before I say that, rivers nearby are going to crest 18 feet above flood level Wednesday or Thursday so don't know what that will bring...although I can guess. . Last time it wiped out the entire downtown.

I'm still watching the utube videos of OBX and parts to the north...to see all of what happened. Had rabbit ears for a T.V. and a battery operated weather FM/AM radio..but not much else to get info..

Sound side OBX looks ...like it really took a beating...
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When I drove to the office early this morning, here in Connecticut where a substantial portion of the state is still without power, I saw a group of utility company trucks parked in the movie theater lot in my town. They looked like they were all getting ready to go out and work on the downed lines (which are everywhere).

As I looked more carefully, I saw that they were trucks from Kansas City Power & Light, who had just driven out here since Sunday. I would like to thank them, and all the good people of Missouri, for coming to our assistance when we really need it.
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The destruction in the mountain towns is horrible. Roads houses businesses towns swept away. ~11" of rain in mountain streams already soaked from very wet spring/summer. NG using helicopters to bring in supplies & get people out.
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DH flew out of Tampa this afternoon for a 3-week tour with the Red Cross. He landed at JFK and was then headed to White Plains, NY. He doesn't know yet exactly what location he will be supporting.
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When I drove to the office early this morning, here in Connecticut where a substantial portion of the state is still without power, I saw a group of utility company trucks parked in the movie theater lot in my town. They looked like they were all getting ready to go out and work on the downed lines (which are everywhere).

As I looked more carefully, I saw that they were trucks from Kansas City Power & Light, who had just driven out here since Sunday. I would like to thank them, and all the good people of Missouri, for coming to our assistance when we really need it.
My part of Virginia was spared the worst. Our local power company is helping harder hit areas in central and southeastern VA. I'm happy they're doing this and don't care if my utility rates go up a little bit. Could be us next time. In fact, it was us during Hurricane Isabel and others from out of town helped.
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One of our friends in nj just got power back on. Thank gawd it was not too hot.
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A friend of mine was away in Kentucky for a long weekend with his wife and had his return flight set for Sunday canceled until last night. But this probably helped them out because when they got back home here on Long Island they had no electric in their house.
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