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Old 01-12-2015, 10:24 AM   #961
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There are lots of athletes in many sports with great records on paper, who don't have the big wins to match. The true greats have both, or maybe more of the latter?
Great teams won't win without a great QB, and great QBs won't win without a great team
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Great teams won't win without a great QB, and great QBs won't win without a great team
But a great QB makes a good team great
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Like everyone else we admire Peyton. But it's hard to call him one of the greatest ever when even Eli has two Super Bowl wins. And for those who are quick to say it's the teams/coaches around any given QB legend, did Eli have the greatest teams or coaching around him?

There are lots of athletes in many sports with great records on paper, who don't have the big wins to match. The true greats have both, or maybe more of the latter?
I don't see why someone who has so many records is considered not great. I have not heard the same about Dan Marino and he never won a SB Favre only 1 just like PM. Get hot at the right time and a 9-7 team can end up in the SB and since it's one game win it. It doesn't mean they are necessarily the best team. Indeed many times the real SB is played out in a conf final. I would say that last years was, SF and the Hawks looked to be the 2 best teams and show it in their game
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Did you watch the game? He can't throw a ball beyond 10 yards with any accuracy. He started the year well but his arm strength declined as the season progressed. Now this may be related to a recent injury or something physical but I doubt it.

I think he should retire and be remembered as the great QB that he is rather than the mediocre QB that he would become.
The fact he's been playing with a torn quad for the last few weeks may have something to do with it.
Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos played with torn right quad for the last month of the season - ESPN
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The fact he's been playing with a torn quad for the last few weeks may have something to do with it.

Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos played with torn right quad for the last month of the season - ESPN

That doesn't surprise me. I mentioned in this thread several weeks ago, he may be hiding an injury as he doesn't like to make injury excuses. You just don't go from being the same as always Manning through first half of season to this. You do not get old suddenly in middle of the season. Clearly my guess is that is why they went to a running game halfway through season. The difficult questions now for him is ....can I get healthy again....and can I stay healthy if I do..... And of course management has to figure out if it's worth the $19 million risk.


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Peyton Manning has a very long history of not playing well in big games. How does someone who has been one of the best regular season QB of all time have a post season record of 11-11?

He had similar problems in college. At the time his major rival at Tennessee was the Florida Gators.
He lost to them 62-37....his only loss of the season
Lost 35-29 and threw 4 INTs....only lost 2 games this season
Lost 33-20....his only loss of the season.

He struggles in big games over and over again. That will always something that lingers in peoples mind when they look back at his career.
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That doesn't surprise me. I mentioned in this thread several weeks ago, he may be hiding an injury as he doesn't like to make injury excuses. You just don't go from being the same as always Manning through first half of season to this. You do not get old suddenly in middle of the season. Clearly my guess is that is why they went to a running game halfway through season. The difficult questions now for him is ....can I get healthy again....and can I stay healthy if I do..... And of course management has to figure out if it's worth the $19 million risk.


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If this is the case then I applaud him for playing through such an injury without allowing it to be a distraction to the team.

But I also agree with you that he may not be able to come back from such an injury at his age and be the dominant QB that he is.
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I must have backed the DVR up at least 10 rimes and watched it again and again. That one was close and could be argued either way IMO. It's just unfortunate that the outcome of a game this important has to be decided on a call like that. You win some and you lose some.
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Truly great teams don't get themselves in a situation where one bad call can cost them the game. Just my 2 cents.
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The fact he's been playing with a torn quad for the last few weeks may have something to do with it.
Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos played with torn right quad for the last month of the season - ESPN
Just hearing that too.

Kinda begs the question, at one point should the backup be considered as obviously, Manning was laboring vs the Colts.

The Packers/Seahawks game may be known as the Matt Flynn game
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Tweet from the Detroit Lions Twitter account - "Sorry @dallascowboys. We know the feeling:"
I thought the lions were more than gracious with that tweet, since the Cowboys wouldn't even have been playing Sunday if it were not for the refs in the previous game.
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Just hearing that too.

Kinda begs the question, at one point should the backup be considered as obviously, Manning was laboring vs the Colts.

The Packers/Seahawks game may be known as the Matt Flynn game
As long as Manning and Rodgers are able to stand upright and have a functional right arm, then they are better than their backups.
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Yay!! The Broncos were so outcoached on sunday it was pathetic!!
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Like everyone else we admire Peyton. But it's hard to call him one of the greatest ever when even Eli has two Super Bowl wins.
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I don't see why someone who has so many records is considered not great. I have not heard the same about Dan Marino and he never won a SB Favre only 1 just like PM.
Huh? Peyton's undoubtedly a great QB, I didn't suggest otherwise. My post specifically said "greatest ever" as I have heard many sportscasters claim, even again during yesterday's game. Greatest ever is what I was questioning.

I may well have forgotten, but I don't remember anyone claiming Marino or Favre were the "greatest ever" - though they were both great.
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Peyton Manning has a very long history of not playing well in big games. How does someone who has been one of the best regular season QB of all time have a post season record of 11-11?

He had similar problems in college. At the time his major rival at Tennessee was the Florida Gators.
He lost to them 62-37....his only loss of the season
Lost 35-29 and threw 4 INTs....only lost 2 games this season
Lost 33-20....his only loss of the season.

He struggles in big games over and over again. That will always something that lingers in peoples mind when they look back at his career.

I don't dispute that Utrecht, and sadly my personal all time favorite (besides Staubach) Brett Favre was only 13-11 even Dan Marino was under .500 in post season. We have to be a bit gentle on career playoff records as in theory due to byes from reg. season records, a QB in theory could go to 15 straight Super Bowls and only have a 15-15 record to show for it.


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Four AFC West titles in four years and a 46-18 record. That's pretty damn good. His contact was up so it's not like he was fired, he just wasn't re-hired.
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Peyton Manning has a very long history of not playing well in big games. How does someone who has been one of the best regular season QB of all time have a post season record of 11-11?

He had similar problems in college. At the time his major rival at Tennessee was the Florida Gators.
He lost to them 62-37....his only loss of the season
Lost 35-29 and threw 4 INTs....only lost 2 games this season
Lost 33-20....his only loss of the season.

He struggles in big games over and over again. That will always something that lingers in peoples mind when they look back at his career.
He's now lost NINE first playoff games in his career. Since 1966, the next worst is four.

Peyton factor, indeed.

Colts fan here, and as I watched the Colts bleed the clock on Peyton in the fourth quarter, I thought, "I've seen this before from the other side." injured or not, Peyton's blown an awful lot of games his teams should've won in the playoffs. While the "he can't win a big game" is inaccurate, he definitely doesn't play as well when things aren't 100% his way.

Sadly, I don't think Peyton will be remembered as the best quarterback for either franchise. He's not better than Elway, and Luck will end up better than Peyton in Indy, in my opinion. He's already ahead of where Peyton was in year three, and with less offensive talent around him to boot.
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Hearing that Denver is cleaning house. Coach, coordinators told to keep their resumes updated
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A commentator said yesterday that one thing PM had to consider about next season was that Denver would likely have a new OC.


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