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Old 05-14-2015, 06:19 PM   #1441
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Buffalo has upgraded every offensive skill position and the only person they lost on defense was Kiko Alonso who they traded to get McCoy, but Alonso missed the entire season last year anyway so effectively they have the same defense. They also catch NE for one game without Brady. Betting the Over 8.5 is a no brainer.
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Here's another example of NE playing fast and loose with the rules. LaGarrett Blount who was playing for the Steelers, walked out of a game without permission last season. He was cut the next day for insubordination. A few days later he signed with NE who he had played with the year before. It was well known that Blount was unhappy with his lack of playing time n Pittsburgh and regretted not resigning with NE.

Reporters starting speculating that the whole "walk off the field without permission" incident was orchestrated so he would get released and be able to resign with NE. When he was directly asked that question during an interview, he laughed and shrugged his shoulders, refusing to deny the rumor. Of course nobody was surprised. It was NE after all.
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As for Brady's suspension, sure, relative to the two weeks Ray Rice originally got, almost *every* punishment the NFL has ever given out since has been excessive in direct comparison. But come on, Rice was one miscarriage of NFL justice, ONE mistake. If we essentially say no one should get as much as what Ray Rice got if they did wasn't as "serious" as what Ray Rice did, everyone will be slapped on the wrist. Even steroid users, even drug offenders. Rice was an outlier, a mistake, and shouldn't be used to compare future punishments to. ...
Another important factor is, from what I recall, Rice told the truth to the NFL, up front, before that elevator video became public. He cooperated. I think the NFL is taking Brady's "stonewalling" and lack of cooperation with their investigation very seriously.
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Here's another example of NE playing fast and loose with the rules. LaGarrett Blount who was playing for the Steelers, walked out of a game without permission last season. He was cut the next day for insubordination. A few days later he signed with NE who he had played with the year before. It was well known that Blount was unhappy with his lack of playing time n Pittsburgh and regretted not resigning with NE.

Reporters starting speculating that the whole "walk off the field without permission" incident was orchestrated so he would get released and be able to resign with NE. When he was directly asked that question during an interview, he laughed and shrugged his shoulders, refusing to deny the rumor. Of course nobody was surprised. It was NE after all.
So what's your point?

The Steelers didn't have to cut him, they could have taken other disciplinary actions. Do you expect Blount to sit at home on his hands after he was cut when he had an opportunity to play?
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... As for Brady's suspension, sure, relative to the two weeks Ray Rice originally got, almost *every* punishment the NFL has ever given out since has been excessive in direct comparison. But come on, Rice was one miscarriage of NFL justice, ONE mistake. If we essentially say no one should get as much as what Ray Rice got if they did wasn't as "serious" as what Ray Rice did, everyone will be slapped on the wrist. Even steroid users, even drug offenders. Rice was an outlier, a mistake, and shouldn't be used to compare future punishments to. ...
Another important factor is, from what I recall, Rice told the truth to the NFL, up front, before that elevator video became public. He cooperated. I think the NFL is taking Brady's "stonewalling" and lack of cooperation with their investigation very seriously.
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Buffalo has upgraded every offensive skill position and the only person they lost on defense was Kiko Alonso who they traded to get McCoy, but Alonso missed the entire season last year anyway so effectively they have the same defense. They also catch NE for one game without Brady. Betting the Over 8.5 is a no brainer.

It is a very tempting bet and minus 110 is essentially a "non juiced line" compared to the Colts that are 10.5 over minus 170... Ridiculous juice... Their schedule is strong but not daunting. And the fans are ready. They had to cut off season ticket sales just to make sure they had individual game tickets for sale.


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So what's your point?

The Steelers didn't have to cut him, they could have taken other disciplinary actions. Do you expect Blount to sit at home on his hands after he was cut when he had an opportunity to play?
You missed the point. The rumor, that Blount would not deny, is that his walking off the field without permission was orchestrated so he could get his release and that he had already worked out a contract with NE in advance.
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So what? The Steelers cut him. They didn't have to.
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So what? The Steelers cut him. They didn't have to.
It is AGAINST THE RULES to tamper with someone that is signed to a contract.... or even talk to them... heck, or even talk to the media about how much you would love them to be on your team...

So, if true then they broke the rules... IOW, cheated....
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Agreed that meddle-ling is against the rules, but to my knowledge there are no instances where the Patriots talked to the media about how much they would love for Blount to be on the team or any proof that the Patriots talked to Blount inappropriately. I'm not aware that the Steelers are complaining about it at all. The only people complaining are the Patriot haters claiming some nefarious conspiracy. Just more jaw flapping by Patriots haters.

I think the facts are pretty simple. Blount's role with the Steelers wasn't working out for either party and he was unhappy about the number of touches he was getting... he inappropriately walked out in frustration... the Steelers decided they had had enough and cut him... the Patriots happened to have a need at that time and signed him.
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I find it funny that people are defending Brady for NOT cooperating!!!


To me, this is worse than the deflation of the balls... since this is an internal NFL matter, he does not have to produce anything, but they can punish him as much as they want.. do not set a precedent allowing people to stonewall and then claim there is not evidence....
Brady was interviewed and questioned for 5.5 hours and answered all of Wells' questions but he refused to hand over his PERSONAL cellphone. He does not trust the leaky league's office with his private information and I don't blame him.

If Brady decides to take it to court after all appeals are exhausted then he will have to provide his cellphone to the court as part of the discovery process.

BTW when Brett Favre refused to hand over his cellphone to the league in 2008 he was only fined 50K.
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The reason people hate the Pats and keep "jaw flapping" is because they keep cheating. How many times do they have to be fined , penalized and have people suspended before the Patriot fanboys just admit it to themselves?

The Steelers didn't want Blount anymore anyway. Hes been a trouble maker since college where he was suspended more than once and he was a trouble maker for the Steelers also. I'm sure the Steelers dont care about what he did at all. They wanted him gone. The point is that there is a rule against what The Pats and Blount allegedly did but the Pats dont care about rules. I personally watched the press conference where Blount was asked about agreeing to sign with NE before walking out on the Steelers and he looked guilty as hell. Just like Brady did when he was asked if he lied and he said "I dont think so".
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...BTW when Brett Favre refused to hand over his cellphone to the league in 2008 he was only fined 50K.
The good news is (as I see it) those days are gone. Since the Ray Rice incident, things have changed regarding athletes' bad behaviors. The NFL was put on notice that the public (not necessarily football fans) was going to cause them serious problems if they (the NFL) didn't come down harder on guys breaking the law. And, to keep NFL credibility it seems to have carried over to breaking the NFL rules as well.

Heck, if the fine was only $50,000, I wouldn't have turned over my cell phone either. But, missing four games? Yeah, you can have my cell phone--just don't exceed my data plan. Actually, if you like, I can put you on my family plan.
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The good news is (as I see it) those days are gone. Since the Ray Rice incident, things have changed regarding athletes' bad behaviors. The NFL was put on notice that the public (not necessarily football fans) was going to cause them serious problems if they (the NFL) didn't come down harder on guys breaking the law. And, to keep NFL credibility it seems to have carried over to breaking the NFL rules as well.

Heck, if the fine was only $50,000, I wouldn't have turned over my cell phone either. But, missing four games? Yeah, you can have my cell phone--just don't exceed my data plan. Actually, if you like, I can put you on my family plan.

Yes indeed times have changed. Media has become the self anointed morality police. Already many have blathered about whether Brady should be allowed to be enshrined at Canton after he retires since this has "impacted his legacy". Heck back before Media wore the white robes, Paul Hornug was suspended a whole year for betting on NFL games as a player and his bust is in Canton. But then again every one thought it was kind of funny back in the day when Gaylord Perry finally got caught and ejected from a game having a substance on the ball. And yes, he is in the HOF also.


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Favre's incident was an off the field issue. That's applws and oranges when compared to an issue that compromises the integrity of the game of football.
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Heck, if the fine was only $50,000, I wouldn't have turned over my cell phone either. But, missing four games? Yeah, you can have my cell phone--just don't exceed my data plan. Actually, if you like, I can put you on my family plan.
I would have also given up my cellephone but I'm not a Superstar and DW is not a Supermodel.
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Personally I am so sick of the Pats/Brady story and so ready for the 2015 season, but that's just me.

Carry on............
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Brady was interviewed and questioned for 5.5 hours and answered all of Wells' questions but he refused to hand over his PERSONAL cellphone. He does not trust the leaky league's office with his private information and I don't blame him.

If Brady decides to take it to court after all appeals are exhausted then he will have to provide his cellphone to the court as part of the discovery process.

BTW when Brett Favre refused to hand over his cellphone to the league in 2008 he was only fined 50K.

But according to news sources the NFL said that Brady's lawyers could go through the texts and only give over the ones that mattered!!!

IOW, he had full control of what was going to the NFL and if he wanted could hold back any incriminating texts... his side decided not to even do that....

As to 2008... well, that was a long time ago... I do not think he would get the same treatment today.... I also do not know what they were looking into... so maybe not as big a deal... (I do not plan to do any research as I do not care)...
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Goodell is going to personally sit in and decide on the appeal by Brady. Let's see, between saving Brady's or Goodell's own reputation, my bet is Goodell will look out for his own skin.

If after the appeal, Brady escapes unscathed his new nickname should be Houdini.
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Yes indeed times have changed. Media has become the self anointed morality police. Already many have blathered about whether Brady should be allowed to be enshrined at Canton after he retires since this has "impacted his legacy". Heck back before Media wore the white robes, Paul Hornug was suspended a whole year for betting on NFL games as a player and his bust is in Canton. But then again every one thought it was kind of funny back in the day when Gaylord Perry finally got caught and ejected from a game having a substance on the ball. And yes, he is in the HOF also.


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I do not think that this will keep him out of the HOF..... someone said that he might not get in with the first vote (which he would have without this)... but he should get in on the second....

Heck, I think Pete Rose should be in the HOF.... he WAS one of the best baseball players of all time... and his 'crime' was not related to his play... yes, it was when he was a coach... but still....
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