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Old 10-24-2012, 08:30 AM   #41
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Lots of things being listed that we still do or use – especially popcorn. Does that make me obsolete?

Some I do share

+1 on vinyl records. Audiophiles and collectors aside, this is mainstream obsolete.
+1 on manual car windows.
+1 on VCRs, cassette tapes. We still have lots, including one box that has moved twice without being opened.
+1 on typeweiters.

A few services I have not seen in ages

- the gas station “full service” pump, except in NJ
- propane tank refills instead of exchanges
- independent book stores.
- customer service not script driven or frontloaded with 5 levels of voice response
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I don't believe I've ever had a tranny in my car...
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Film cameras. That probably went obsolete for me and most of us more than 10 years ago. But even digital cameras are obsolete for me now. My cell phone camera is handier and takes just as good of pictures as my point and shoot.

Including window cranks here seems funny to me. It's not like I decided I would stop using, or replace, the window cranks on my car. At some point I got a car that had power windows because I needed a newer car. By the time I got my next car, pretty much all manufacturers did away with cranks. It's also been more than 5-10 years, btw.
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Snipped your post to comment on a few from our perspective...

I do agree that even most of these will be going away over time....


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  • landline phone - haven't had one for years, and never will again.
Still have one... there are places where you do not get a signal even in the middle of a big city... my last house had zero cell phone reception except if you stood on the roof... also, when electricity goes out you do not always get a signal...
  • road atlas - between GPS and online maps, why would anyone carry around a paper map or road atlas anymore? GPS is hands free, trying to read a map at 60 mph is downright dangerous, and you can't pull over and look in many places (the Dan Ryan for example).
The problem that we have is that GPS does not always take you on the 'best' route... and having a paper map to be able to see the big picture helps a lot... we do not use the map when driving, just planning... so we know when to ignore the GPS...
  • hand held calculator - we have a few around, but I can't imagine every buying another. I use my phone more often than not, or the iPad or PC when in hand.
Since they cost so little, I have a few hanging around the house.... much easier to do some quick calculations on it than a phone (if you remember my post about my son wanting a phone, I have an 'old mans phone')
  • wrist watch - again, many of us carry our phones most of the time (and more will as time passes IMO). It gives more accurate time than most wrist watches. These days, a wrist watch is really just jewelry IMO. I've let the batteries go dead on all my watches (I need to sell the valuable ones on eBay...).
I do not carry my phone with me always.... and even when I do it is easier to just look at my wrist to get the time...
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One thing I hope NEVER becomes obsolete is the automobile manual transmission. Two of my vehicles have this feature.
I despise driving a car with an automatic transmission, especially in snow and ice.
A manual tranny could become an unintentional auto theft deterrent.
How many young people know how to use a stick shift these days?

LOL... I saw a video that I believe was in the UK where the car jacker could not drive a stick... it was funny (not to the guy who had the gun pointed at his face.... but the thief who had to run away)...


Opps... saw someone else mentioned this... Oh well...
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Being "follicly-challenged", I find blow dryers and hairbrushes to be obsolete.

But I still (barely) use a comb.
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Funny, I'm actually looking for an old school style of popcorn maker (the kind with the spinning bottom). I want one for coffee roasting.
We're still using a family heirloom similar (but not exact) to this:


but cleaner, and with a much safer replacement cord, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

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Those big old heavy, heavy huge televisions...before flat screens? We purchased them for our kids years ago for Christmas. They were still in the house because, well, because they were so heavy.
We bought one of those (36" HD) because it was 1/2 the price of an LCD (that you had to be sitting directly in front of or it washed out) and 1/4 the price of a plasma screen.
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+1 on vinyl records. Audiophiles and collectors aside, this is mainstream obsolete.
As Nick Cage noted in The Rock.... "These sound better."

I consider myself neither an audiophile nor a collector, but why replace the music I like that I've already paid for?
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As Nick Cage noted in The Rock.... "These sound better."

I consider myself neither an audiophile nor a collector, but why replace the music I like that I've already paid for?

Ya don't.... just put it in your computer and rip it to MP3....
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I don't believe I've ever had a tranny in my car...


I still refill my propane tanks at the store, have manual windows on a few of our cars, listen to albums, and have a calculator (my beloved HP10BII) on my desk, but I agree with the idea that these are all mainstream obsolete.

I might add to the list regular mail. We get fewer and fewer pieces of "real mail" and I see that dwindling down to nothing soon.

And of course I have a thread hijack to offer: Speaking of paper maps and tall vehicles, any of you map-oriented folks have good ideas for figuring out height restrictions on roads in the UK and Europe?
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I agree with Sarah that regular mail is becoming obsolete, and with Katsmeow that checks are, too.

In my life (only), soda is nearly obsolete. Regular soda is too sugary , and when I stopped drinking diet soda I found it lost its appeal. I have not had any at home for about a decade.

Floppy disks are obsolete, now. So are drive in theaters, at least here.

I remember the days when we had milk delivered by a milkman.
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I agree with Sarah that regular mail is becoming obsolete, and with Katsmeow that checks are, too.

In my life (only), soda is nearly obsolete. Regular soda is too sugary , and when I stopped drinking diet soda I found it lost its appeal. I have not had any at home for about a decade.

Floppy disks are obsolete, now. So are drive in theaters, at least here.

I remember the days when we had milk delivered by a milkman.
Please, W2R, say it ain't so! I just wrote three checks out today. I really don't want to do that online billing thing. Now if you could convince all my service providers to take auto bill pay through my credit card, I would gladly cut down to one check a month and get more cash back rewards.
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RE: Vinyl records and CDs...
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Ya don't.... just put it in your computer and ...
I was with you up until....

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rip it to MP3...
Horrors!

If you are going to take the time to record your vinyl, rip it to a lossless format. From there, if you want, you can make digitally compressed copies for casual listening, or for a portable player.

A few years ago I got my CDs all onto a hard disk. Been slowly working on the vinyl, which is much more time consuming - cue it up, edit the tracks, name each track, etc. I have not got any noise reduction SW to work w/o mucking up the sound, but I have learned I can go in and actually fix the individual clicks if they are few enough to not be a ridiculous time sink. Audacity has a little 'repair' mode, if you focus in on the click, it will interpolate and make it match the surrounding area. It only works on very small samples, a tiny fraction of a second. But that is enough to make an annoying pop simply vanish, with no side-effect on the sound.

Don't assume you can't hear the difference in compressed mp3 versus full resolution. I have trouble telling in an A-B, even on very good equipment. But after about 5 or 10 minutes I sense that the compressed music is dull and lifeless. It's not so obvious, but it sucks the life out of it, and you notice over time.

I've actually compared the compressed mp3 by inverting it and subtracting it from the original. You play that and you hear what is missing - it is like a weird echo/ghost of the original. All that detail is missing from the music. It's not the same. Much of the 'life' has been sucked out of it.

Also, if the popular compression formats change over time, or your device supports x instead of y, you can always go back to the original full rez file and re-compress it. You don't want to run a compression algorithm on a file that has already been compressed - that will multiply the problems.

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As Nick Cage noted in The Rock.... "These sound better."

I consider myself neither an audiophile nor a collector, but why replace the music I like that I've already paid for?
Lots of great reasons:


1- Eliminate wear/tear on the records.

2- Convenience - So much easier to choose songs on the computer with some 'iTunes'-like software (I use Rhythmbox under Linux, there are several others on any platform). No dropping the needle and flipping the record, and so easy to skip that one song you hate.

3- Flexibility- PLAYLISTS! These have changed the way I listen. It is so great to have a few dozen (or more) playlists with different moods on them. For Christmas, I tagged all our songs with Instrumental versus vocal, serious versus 'playful', etc. I can choose Christmas music for a variety of moods.

4- Backup- Copy the library to another drive, and you have a full backup of your entire music collection. A cheap ext USB portable drive will hold a very large collection, even if stored in full rez (I use FLAC, which does ~ 2:1 compression, with no data loss - like 'zipping' the file).

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RE: Vinyl records and CDs...

I was with you up until....



Horrors!

If you are going to take the time to record your vinyl, rip it to a lossless format. From there, if you want, you can make digitally compressed copies for casual listening, or for a portable player.

A few years ago I got my CDs all onto a hard disk. Been slowly working on the vinyl, which is much more time consuming - cue it up, edit the tracks, name each track, etc. I have not got any noise reduction SW to work w/o mucking up the sound, but I have learned I can go in and actually fix the individual clicks if they are few enough to not be a ridiculous time sink. Audacity has a little 'repair' mode, if you focus in on the click, it will interpolate and make it match the surrounding area. It only works on very small samples, a tiny fraction of a second. But that is enough to make an annoying pop simply vanish, with no side-effect on the sound.

Don't assume you can't hear the difference in compressed mp3 versus full resolution. I have trouble telling in an A-B, even on very good equipment. But after about 5 or 10 minutes I sense that the compressed music is dull and lifeless. It's not so obvious, but it sucks the life out of it, and you notice over time.

I've actually compared the compressed mp3 by inverting it and subtracting it from the original. You play that and you hear what is missing - it is like a weird echo/ghost of the original. All that detail is missing from the music. It's not the same. Much of the 'life' has been sucked out of it.

Also, if the popular compression formats change over time, or your device supports x instead of y, you can always go back to the original full rez file and re-compress it. You don't want to run a compression algorithm on a file that has already been compressed - that will multiply the problems.

-ERD50

Well, thanks for the info... how do you do lossless conversions


For what I was using it for, the MP3 was just fine... it was an MP3 player and there was so much noise around when listening (bus, walking etc.) that it did not matter... I do not listen to the files on my good stereo.... still use the CDs... but hey, I still listen to the radio in the car unless on a long trip....
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I only wish FAX machines were totally obsolete. I got rid of mine when I found that the printer in which resided didn't play nice with my new computer. Since then I've had a number of interfaces with companies that do not do email attachments and insist on sending / receiving faxes. And no, my Windows 7 doesn't have FAX capability like the XP platform did.
I'm running Win7 "Ultimate" which includes a fax program. I don't know if the upgrade is worth the price for just a fax capability.

However John Hancock is another one of those companies that refuses to do e-mail attachments... not even on their own secure website.
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RE: Vinyl records and CDs...

I was with you up until....



Horrors!

If you are going to take the time to record your vinyl, rip it to a lossless format. From there, if you want, you can make digitally compressed copies for casual listening, or for a portable player.

A few years ago I got my CDs all onto a hard disk. Been slowly working on the vinyl, which is much more time consuming - cue it up, edit the tracks, name each track, etc. I have not got any noise reduction SW to work w/o mucking up the sound, but I have learned I can go in and actually fix the individual clicks if they are few enough to not be a ridiculous time sink. Audacity has a little 'repair' mode, if you focus in on the click, it will interpolate and make it match the surrounding area. It only works on very small samples, a tiny fraction of a second. But that is enough to make an annoying pop simply vanish, with no side-effect on the sound.

Don't assume you can't hear the difference in compressed mp3 versus full resolution. I have trouble telling in an A-B, even on very good equipment. But after about 5 or 10 minutes I sense that the compressed music is dull and lifeless. It's not so obvious, but it sucks the life out of it, and you notice over time.

I've actually compared the compressed mp3 by inverting it and subtracting it from the original. You play that and you hear what is missing - it is like a weird echo/ghost of the original. All that detail is missing from the music. It's not the same. Much of the 'life' has been sucked out of it.

Also, if the popular compression formats change over time, or your device supports x instead of y, you can always go back to the original full rez file and re-compress it. You don't want to run a compression algorithm on a file that has already been compressed - that will multiply the problems.

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+1 - I will use 320Kbps mp3 for CDs in my car but other than that I use lossless format.
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