Dogs peeing on lawns

[ponyboy]

Where else is a dog supposed to urinate? They typically wont go on the street or sidewalks. Owners can try to force their pets to go in their own yard...but anyone who is rational knows dogs like to mark their spots. I dont consider it rude.

Now if a dog takes a deuce in your yard and the owner doesnt clean it...thats a problem.

 

[Alan]

Where else is a dog supposed to urinate? They typically wont go on the street or sidewalks. Owners can try to force their pets to go in their own yard...but anyone who is rational knows dogs like to mark their spots. I dont consider it rude.

Now if a dog takes a deuce in your yard and the owner doesnt clean it...thats a problem.

I think you are underestimating a dog’s ability to urinate. We always had dogs when I was growing up as did many of our neighbors. We all had concrete back yards, and front doors that opened onto the street. The areas of town with gardens never had lawns accessible to the sidewalks as they were all fenced or had small hedges or walls. Never seen any dog have a problem urinating on the sidewalk or other area that didn’t have grass.

 

[Alan]

I think those are simply called "Newcastle Brown Ale" in the UK.

Definitely up where I live

 

[RE2Boys]

True, but it is an easement not a peesment
The thing I hate about the easement, is the city claims all sorts of rights about what I can/cannot plant on it, (but no issue for my property on my side of the easement).
Yet, they don't come an mow it.
So easements are really a burden to a homeowner with greatly reduced rights of use.

In some areas, the land adjacent to the street is not even an easement, it is part of the right of way, just not paved. In my area, if I was to find the boundary of my property, I would find that the last 5 feet adjacent to the paved road was NOT even my property, but was part of the road right of way. I maintain it for my benefit.

I've a neighbor who, 40 years ago, only paved his driveway up to his property line. So he now has a concrete driveway, then a strip of gravel/mud, then the paved road. His problem, the local township has never paved to meet his concrete. He is in his right to not meet the paved road, but he has to live with any problems created (more difficult to clear snow, impact resale value, tracking mud, etc). He's the only one within four blocks with this arrangement. BTW, the road was paved when he did this.

 

[ERD50]

FWIW:
A Twitter poll from April 2018: 70% said it was okay to put dog poop in a neighbors trash bin, 30% said "not okay". 4000 responses.

If I catch you leaving poop in my trash can, you get the hose.

+1

I'm actually shocked that anyone would even ask if it's OK to drop their dog poop bag in my trash can, and would bother to differentiate if it was before/after pick up.

Some of those 70% surveyed would be dog owners - they shouldn't get a vote. And since you can't know which 30% is which, just don't do it, out of respect of those 30%, and out of common decency. Plus, a self-selected survey like that is pretty meaningless - did mostly dog owners respond - we don't know?

Out of the group that would put a bag of dog poop in someone else's trash, guess what - some of those are not going to be the most careful types, and won't notice that oh, that back ripped open as I dropped it in, making a nasty mess for the trash can owner to clean up.

And put it in after pick up? Geeez! It's in the 90's here this week, and we have weekly pick up. A week of that poop sitting in the can in the heat - gross, gross, gross! We avoid putting nasty stuff in our can in this heat if we are able, some stuff gets wrapped while it is still 'fresh' (meat/fish trimmings and wrapping , etc) and put in the freezer until trash day. Vegatable clipping go into the garden. Man, if I saw someone putting dog poop in my trash can after pick up, I'd call the cops.

Where else is a dog supposed to urinate? They typically wont go on the street or sidewalks. Owners can try to force their pets to go in their own yard...but anyone who is rational knows dogs like to mark their spots. I dont consider it rude. .... .

And that's the problem. You, as the dog owner, don't consider it rude. But the recipient does. Reminds me of the smokers who didn't consider it rude for you to have to put up with their smoke.


As I said before, the 'tone deafness' of some of the pet owners here is striking. I sometimes wonder if pet owning won't go the way of smoking - pet owners really have an effect on the people around them, and many are oblivious to it (like barking in the early morning, or the entire time I'm out in my yard). I'd be fine with no pets in public, you want a pet, keep it on your property (preferably indoors) and deal with it. Don't make your problem my problem.

-ERD50

 

[samclem]

FWIW:
A Twitter poll from April 2018: 70% said it was okay to put dog poop in a neighbors trash bin, 30% said "not okay". 4000 responses.

If I catch you leaving poop in my trash can, you get the hose.

Well, since you've made this personal, you can re-read what I wrote before and know that your trash can is safe.

I keep the bag with me and throw it in my own trash, which means I may be carrying it with me for 30 minutes or more.

So, if answering the poll question, based on my own behavior (i.e. not a theoretical situation to me), I'd be among the 30% who say it is not okay to put dog poop in a neighbor's trash bin. And if I saw someone walking a dog and holding a bag of poop, I'd offer to let them put it in my trash can,
just as others have offered me the same. I don't see any inconsistency here.

 

[ERD50]

Well, since you've made this personal, you can re-read what I wrote before and know that your trash can is safe. ....

I didn't get the sense that he was making it personal, I read it as a general "you".

But in replying to a post, we aren't always going to go back (or remember who said what) to determine fuller context. But speaking for myself, even asking the question if it is acceptable or not sort of frames where you stand on the issue, even if you say you personally wouldn't do it.

-ERD50

 

[Bestwifeever]

I think those are simply called "Newcastle Brown Ale" in the UK.

After processing it through one’s kdneys?

 

[Mr._Graybeard]

Yes indeed and they are usually enforced as well, particularly in towns with lots of special dog poop trash cans available. These trash cans usually have dog pop bags as well so need to buy them or use an excuse that you forgot to bring some with you.

This reminds me of prior encounters with dog excrement in my foreign travels. We spent some time in a Brussels suburb some years back while my sister was living there. You really had to watch where you walked on the sidewalk to avoid stepping on a turd (many who went before hadn't been so alert, as smeared feces attested). Some of the piles were massive.

Tel Aviv was another city I visited where dogs went anywhere and everywhere on public walkways. The hot, dry climate enhanced the aroma.

 

[Alan]

After processing it through one’s kdneys?

Guaranteed not to stain the lawn as well

 

[samclem]

But speaking for myself, even asking the question if it is acceptable or not sort of frames where you stand on the issue, even if you say you personally wouldn't do it.

I can see how it might be possible to think that. I asked the question to get an idea for the range of opinions on this topic (and if a poster found some of the opinions "striking," I'd think maybe this has been illuminating). I'm surprised, too, that many people think it is okay to deposit a dog poop in a neighbor's trash without an invitation. And as for dog owners not getting a vote in a poll like this, I suppose that depends on what we want to learn from the poll. If we want to know how likely it is that dog owners will actually leave poops in a neighbor's curbside trash can, then the only opinions that count are those of dog owners .

 

[Keim]

+1

I sometimes wonder if pet owning won't go the way of smoking - pet owners really have an effect on the people around them, and many are oblivious to it (like barking in the early morning, or the entire time I'm out in my yard). I'd be fine with no pets in public, you want a pet, keep it on your property (preferably indoors) and deal with it. Don't make your problem my problem.

-ERD50

Seeing that 60% of Americans own a pet, don't hold your breath.

Me? I'm just happy when people pick up their dog ****. I have no problem with them using my can. And, yes, I may use theirs if I'm out a ways from home with the dog, under conditions I previously described. Better trash in the can then not.

 

[joeea]

Well, since you've made this personal, you can re-read what I wrote before and know that your trash can is safe.

I was using the plural "you" not the personal.

You personally sound like a responsible pet owner. Others not so much.

For others - if you want to know if it's okay to put your fecal waste in someone else's trash - ask. Otherwise, just put it in you own trash.

 

[ERD50]

Seeing that 60% of Americans own a pet, don't hold your breath.
... .

Oh, I'm not. More of a 'food for thought' type of post. But Ireland did make the pubs smoke free a few years back, and when I was there, it seemed like 85% smoked.

... Me? I'm just happy when people pick up their dog ****. I have no problem with them using my can. And, yes, I may use theirs if I'm out a ways from home with the dog, under conditions I previously described. ....

That's fine if you are OK with people using your trash can. I'm saying you should not assume others feel the same. I do not, for one. And you did say " If the cans at the curb I use it." So that's anyone's can. It would be different if you said "The cans of other dog owners that have agreed that we can use each other's cans".

... Better trash in the can then not.

That's a false dichotomy. Third option is hold the bag until you reach your trash can, as others have said they do. You are the one who chose to have a dog, not me. Don't force the consequences of your choices on me.

-ERD50

 

[Keim]

To be clear. If the can meets the description I described earlier (at the alley curb all week-as is common in my area) I feel ABSOLUTELY no guilt about using it. If you don't want trash put in your can, don't leave it out. YMMV.

As to a false dichotomy, perhaps it is. But it also takes into account human nature. People are less likely to litter if a trash can is nearby. Any can. Would you rather have the **** in your yard or your can? I can guarantee that some people will leave it if a can isn't nearby.

Oh, I'm not. More of a 'food for thought' type of post. But Ireland did make the pubs smoke free a few years back, and when I was there, it seemed like 85% smoked.




That's fine if you are OK with people using your trash can. I'm saying you should not assume others feel the same. I do not, for one. And you did say " If the cans at the curb I use it." So that's anyone's can. It would be different if you said "The cans of other dog owners that have agreed that we can use each other's cans".




That's a false dichotomy. Third option is hold the bag until you reach your trash can, as others have said they do. You are the one who chose to have a dog, not me. Don't force the consequences of your choices on me.

-ERD50

 

[joeea]

To be clear. If the can meets the description I described earlier (at the alley curb all week-as is common in my area) I feel ABSOLUTELY no guilt about using it. If you don't want trash put in your can, don't leave it out. YMMV.

Seems odd to me.

What is an "alley curb"?

If a trash can is at the alley curb, it's fair game for anything anyone chooses to do with it?

(trying to understand)

As to a false dichotomy, perhaps it is. But it also takes into account human nature. People are less likely to litter if a trash can is nearby. Any can. Would you rather have the **** in your yard or your can? I can guarantee that some people will leave it if a can isn't nearby.

And I can guarantee that some people will leave it even if a can is nearby. But that's not really the point.

 

[ERD50]

Seems odd to me.

What is an "alley curb"?

If a trash can is at the alley curb, it's fair game for anything anyone chooses to do with it?

(trying to understand)


And I can guarantee that some people will leave it even if a can is nearby. But that's not really the point.

I'm lost too. The only real residential alleys I'm familiar with are in Chicago. Trash cans do stay out there all week, in fact I think almost everyone keeps them there all week. I've never seen a curb in an alley. And I don't think it's common to walk dogs there (people use the street-side sidewalks, it's nicer there).

Maybe things are different where Keim lives, but it's getting lost in translation, or just isn't common so maybe doesn't apply to most of the comments here.

Maybe we need a poll: Where do you keep your trash cans? How many times per week do you get pick up? Where does your trash go for pick up?

For me - In the garage; Once a week; edge of the road, by the driveway, in the grass, technically the easement area (we don't have 'curbs' as such, we do have a concrete 'ribbon edge' to the asphalt roadway).

-ERD50

 

[Keim]

Alley curb=My poor attempt to describe the edge of the alley, wherein the cans are on the edge of the public easement. Most of the homes in my area have front paved road access and rear unpaved alley access, with cans kept in the alley easement at all times.


If a trash can is at the curb, IMO, its fair game for minimal use. Toss an empty can into it, etc. I refer you to the de minimis rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

 

[kgtest]

My neighbors walk there four dogs down the street across the county line for our poor 90yr old neighbor to smell. I wonder why people would even want to care for four dogs at once, but to each there own.



She also smokes, and makes some other bad personal decisions. Sometimes people are simply disrespectful...sometimes its an accident and I understand...but there is a difference.


Coming from a prior dog owner, who now is not one. I always carried a bag and scooped up the droppings. I also took the time to clean up my pee spots in my yard which was a lot of work, I can't imagine forcing this task upon a non-dog owning neighbor.

 

[daylatedollarshort]

I did a search on our Nextdoor list and found zero complaints about dog pee on lawns. Most of the posts were supportive of neighborhood pets and wildlife - alerts on where to drive carefully around deer and turkeys, lost and found pets, pet adoptions, how to help injured wildlife, public service announcements on alternatives to rat poison, etc.

The only dog complaints I found were owners not picking up poop and aggressive or barking dogs.

 

[Bestwifeever]

If we are walking our dog and have used a poop bag for her, we either bring it home to the dedicated poop can or toss it into a municipal trash can; I’ve never seen anything around here about not using regular waste containers for disposal of poop bags. Our town would certainly publicize it if that were the case, as we get frequent reminders about everything else trash-related. I personally wouldn’t put it in another individual’s can no matter where it was. Not sure why not, but I just wouldn’t feel right about it.

 

[samclem]

In my area, this is a trash bin ("roller") that is not the property of the homeowner (it belongs to the trash company or city) placed on a piece of land (the street right-of-way or an alley) that is also not his/her property.
Now, that might not change things at all (I wouldn't leave a poop bag on the hood of someone's leased car that was parked on the street), but when people talk about "my trash bin," they are sometimes using convenient, common, but not 100 percent accurate shorthand.
A semi-related factoid: before throwing a disposable diaper in the trash, the "solid waste" is supposed to be scraped off into a toilet. I wonder how often that happens.

But, I digress. . .

 

[joeea]

In my area, this is a trash bin ("roller") that is not the property of the homeowner (it belongs to the trash company or city) placed on a piece of land (the street right-of-way or an alley) that is also not his/her property.
Now, that might not change things at all (I wouldn't leave a poop bag on the hood of someone's leased car that was parked on the street), but when people talk about "my trash bin," they are sometimes using convenient, common, but not 100 percent accurate shorthand.

Who would be responsible for cleaning the smelly sh!t from the inside of one of these roller bins, if the poop bag broke or leaked? Is that something the trash company or city would do?

 

[samclem]

Who would be responsible for cleaning the smelly sh!t from the inside of one of these roller bins, if the poop bag broke or leaked? Is that something the trash company or city would do?

I doubt anyone is "responsible" for cleaning a trash bin, unless maybe the city/owner has requested that it be clean when it is returned to them.
Now, since people have varying standards of cleanliness they expect for these bins that they keep near their homes, that would be another reason for dog owners to avoid using a bin that is in a neighbor's custody (unless invited).

 

[ERD50]

... If a trash can is at the curb, IMO, its fair game for minimal use. Toss an empty can into it, etc. I refer you to the de minimis rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

An empty can is not the same as a bag of dog poo (Reminds of an old joke about not sending someone to the store for a head of cabbage ).

I actually would be a bit miffed at even an empty can being thrown into my trash can. It's my property, and I have to deal with cleaning it - just keep your mitts off! If it's got sugary residue it's gonna tract flies, and then maggots. Use your own darn trash can.

Maybe the empty can fits the de minimis definition, but an empty can isn't as bad as a bag of dog poo.

-ERD50