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I was just joking....
One of the non-negotiable requirements of being a so-called "professional" is they can never get that.
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I was just joking....
Asking only workman's wages
I come looking for a job
But I get no offers
Just a come-on from the whores
On Seventh Avenue
I would say that a "profession" typically has specialized knowledge, typically reflected in specific education and training requirements, including some sort of governmental licensure barrier to entry, which serves to limit the numbers in that profession. There are also usually professional organizations (membership in which is often mandatory) that set and uphold standards of conduct in the profession, violation of which can lead to removal from the profession. Many, if not most, professions have a distinct vocabulary related to their particular area of expertise that is not readily understandable to outsiders. Also, many professionals tend to internalize their profession as part of their identity. Finally, I think that for many professions there is an expectation, by both those in the profession and those outside, that the members of the profession have some enhanced responsibility to the common weal/public good.
I don't see this list as either exhaustive or exclusive, but these are the characteristics that I observe most professions to have in common.
A professional does not complain to the client or anyone but their peers about problems and headaches with work. They suck it up and do a professional job.
Or at least, that's what I do.
I guess that I was thinking of this thread as referring to people engaged in a "profession" as being "professional".
Artists, musicians, dancers, athletes, etc technically are professionals if they are being paid to play... but I would not consider those to be a "profession".
Is teaching a profession? Perhaps, but not as widely recognized as a profession as doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants, etc. I'm not sure how many people would think of teaching as a profession... I can see it either way.
Does it all make any difference... I think not.
... And in colleges and universities, the teachers are called professors. You can’t get more professional than that!
It takes a skill set to perform all those occupations. Teaching requires a degree and credentialling, as well as a license. I see teaching as a profession, always have. And in colleges and universities, the teachers are called professors. You can’t get more professional than that!
Professional:
1. relating to a job that requires special education, training, or skill
2. one or given by a person who works in a particular profession
3. paid to participate in a sport or activity
Oye. Words are defined and easily researched but it seems as though that's forgotten.
Lexicographer: A writer of dictionaries; a harmless drudge that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the signification of words.
-- Samuel Johnson, 1755
So according to some here if you don't have a license then you are not a professional. According to that belief then I guess that means my barber is a professional along with teachers/professors, realtors, contractors, electricians, plumbers, nurses, doctors, etc. They all are required to be licensed along with engineers.
I guess since I am retired I can't be a professional anymore. But wait. I have a drivers license. Maybe I am a professional driver.
Cheers!
I don't have a degree. I am an engineering "manager" at a fortune 30 company. I earn more than many of my peers my age including everyone in my immediate family and my extended family. I act professional in my business and personal life most of the time. I have licenses and certifications and will add I have some completed accredited college coursework but just never added up to a college degree of any form. I am also a veteran of the armed services. Am I a professional? Or am I not because I never got that college diploma? I am also owner and CEO for not one but two successful businesses and on the side own income properties.Not same class of certification. “Professional” License comes with other qualifications besides experience, namely an accredited four year degree at a college institution.
One thing for sure...politicians are not professionals (what does that tell you?)
Not Professional (No "s"), agreed. But some are actually Lawyers and doctors so in fact they are by definition Professionals.
I don't have a degree. I am an engineering "manager" at a fortune 30 company. I earn more than many of my peers my age including everyone in my immediate family and my extended family. I act professional in my business and personal life most of the time. I have licenses and certifications and will add I have some completed accredited college coursework but just never added up to a college degree of any form. I am also a veteran of the armed services. Am I a professional? Or am I not because I never got that college diploma? I am also owner and CEO for not one but two successful businesses and on the side own income properties.
Bill Gates never finished college. Is he a professional?
The answer is no to both. And you can’t use the word “Engineer” in any job title unless you are a 4 year graduate in an engineering program from an accredited college. Engineer’s are professionals, hence P.E. Certification. Sanitation Engineer for instance is not a legal nor professional title.
The answer is no to both. And you can’t use the word “Engineer” in any job title unless you are a 4 year graduate in an engineering program from an accredited college. Engineer’s are professionals, hence P.E. Certification. Sanitation Engineer for instance is not a legal nor professional title.
The job I interviewed for multiple times in my career had "Engineer' in the title, even HR labelled it that in there job "coding". Are they wrong as well?
Al, I will say, a lot of organizations nowadays ask for four year degree (Or equivalent experience). I guess I am a little confused on why an Engineer must be synonymous with a four year degree. I don't feel that train of thought is always accurate.