Abandoning EVs

[Texas Proud]

This just came across my phone. "Automakers hitting Brakes on Electric Vehicles for All"

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3221...atform":0,"cv":"23.44.0.38","languages":"en"}

That, or a similar article was what I read when I started the thread... just did not have a link... Thanks

 

[joesxm3]

https://www.torquenews.com/14335/how-much-can-cybertruck-tow-and-what-range-will-be-lost

Looks like cyber truck can pull more with range than is being said here.

 

[Fermion]

https://www.torquenews.com/14335/how-much-can-cybertruck-tow-and-what-range-will-be-lost

Looks like cyber truck can pull more with range than is being said here.

I am calling BS on that link. There is no way 180kwh can tow 15,000 pounds for 400 miles.

*maybe* in Kansas

 

[Koolau]

I recently heard a statistic that I share with my EV friends.
92% of all EVs ever built are still on the road. The other 8% made it home.

Gets my vote for "POST OF THE DAY!"

 

[Koolau]

My 2016 F-150 has a 36 gallon tank which gives me 700+ miles to deal with. I can get from Boston to Ohio for my next fill-up without dealing with Pennsylvania's high gas tax.
Fortunately, I can afford gas at $3 per gallon...

Heh, heh, with a 700 mile range, I could spend a couple of days going around my Island - 10 times!

 

[Koolau]

I am calling BS on that link. There is no way 180kwh can tow 15,000 pounds for 400 miles.

*maybe* in Kansas

With a 40 mph tailwind.

 

[Faraday]

B/S You got three times the power than any diesel truck on the road right now. So you got all the power you need to get the job done. But the other reason that it’s a beast is because it’s also efficient. 1,000 volt architecture, tandum axle, one for torque, one for efficiency

You too can drive the Big Rigs!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pepsico-reveals-truth-tesla-semitruck-113000730.html

 

[REWahoo]

This quote from an article on MarketWatch seems counter to the title of this thread:

...sales of battery electric vehicles, or BEV, were up roughly 50% in 2023’s first three quarters. BEVs now account for about 8% of all new car sales.

There Isn’t an EV Apocalypse. It’s Simply Econ 101.

 

[RetMD21]

This just came across my phone. "Automakers hitting Brakes on Electric Vehicles for All"

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3221126477608-automakers-hitting-brakes-on-electric-vehicles-for-all?_f=app_share&s=i4&pd=02WUU3Jo&lang=en_US&send_time=1699408441&trans_data=%7B%22platform%22%3A0%2C%22cv%22%3A%2223.44.0.38%22%2C%22languages%22%3A%22en%22%7D

That article should have been titled GM and Ford are having problems manufacturing and selling EVs

 

[Car-Guy]

I recently heard a statistic that I share with my EV friends.
92% of all EVs ever built are still on the road. The other 8% made it home.

 

[TheWizard]

I am calling BS on that link. There is no way 180kwh can tow 15,000 pounds for 400 miles.

*maybe* in Kansas

Only if going from West to East...

 

[Alan]

In the UK the latest sales figures for new cars show the percentage of PHEV and BEV vehicles staying around 15%.

The graph shows a peak in Dec, 2022 over 30% which was because that was the beginning of the end of the government subsidy on new EVs. (It actually dropped a lot end of 2022 and disappeared altogether a few months later)

 

[Andre1969]

I think I also read somewhere that Chrysler has backpedaled on its plans to replace the Charger and Challenger with a dedicated EV. Although I've heard they're not building the Hemi V8 after the end of the 2023 calendar year, so I dunno what the replacement is going to have.

In trucks, I heard they're using something called a "Hurricane" Twin Turbo V6 that's supposed to replace the Hemi, and I guess they're going to keep producing the base 3.6 V6.

I just looked at the EPA's website though, and they're still showing the 5.7 and 6.2 Hemi V8s being offered on the 2024 Ram, in addition to the 3.6 V6. Still, it could be one of those things where they're still planning to phase out the Hemi, but for the time being, the early 2024s are getting it? With the auto industry, model years and calendar years don't always jive up.

 

[braumeister]

Swiss Re, a large and important reinsurance company, just published a paper documenting that Waymo autonomous vehicles are far safer than human driven ones.

And in other news:
GM’s Cruise self-driving unit is recalling all its cars to update software after one dragged a San Francisco pedestrian

 

[Alan]

And in other news:
GM’s Cruise self-driving unit is recalling all its cars to update software after one dragged a San Francisco pedestrian

So, the car stopped initially after hitting the pedestrian that had been thrown into its path, but then pulled off to the side to get out of traffic not realizing that it was dragging the casualty along with it. Ouch.

In the crash, another vehicle with a person behind the wheel struck a pedestrian, sending the person into the path of a Cruise autonomous vehicle. The Cruise initially stopped but still hit the person. But it then pulled to the right to get out of traffic, pulling the person about 20 feet (six meters) forward. The pedestrian was pinned under one of the Cruise vehicle’s tires and was critically injured.

 

[folivier]

Thought I posted this yesterday but don't see it here. Interesting read.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

 

[TB1960]

If the driver of an EV car hits a pedestrian, is the driver charged with battery?

 

[Music Lover]

Thought I posted this yesterday but don't see it here. Interesting read.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

I have nothing against EVs as a matter of principle, I just wish that the real numbers weren't deliberately hidden and that the sourcing of some of the battery raw material was more transparent.

 

[Montecfo]

Thought I posted this yesterday but don't see it here. Interesting read.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

The executive summary at minimum should be required reading.

It quantifies the true cost of EVs.

 

[REWahoo]

I would have considerably more confidence in the accuracy of this "true EV cost" article if it came from a group that wasn't funded, at least in part, by Chevron, ExxonMobil, and other fossil fuel interests (per Wikipedia).

Tough to know who and what to believe these days.

 

[Music Lover]

I would have considerably more confidence in the accuracy of this "true EV cost" article if it came from a group that wasn't funded, at least in part, by Chevron, ExxonMobil, and other fossil fuel interests (per Wikipedia).

Wikipedia isn't reliable. And the people funding the EV agenda aren't reliable either.

I'm sure that if there were falsehoods in the article that foliviere posted they would be easy to rebut with facts. But if they can't be rebutted, then why are they being ignored?

 

[prudent_one]

Well overall average selling price of new cars is still around $50k.

If that is the average, I'd like to know the median price. Just looked at a local dealer's inventory of Buicks (GM's lux nameplate) and out of 31 new Buicks in inventory, only six are more than $50K and the highest price is $60K. No new GMC trucks were over $50K.

A local Toyota dealer has 29 new vehicles over $50K, out of 143 total.

Makes me think there has to be some super-expensive vehicles out there driving up the average price.

 

[REWahoo]

Wikipedia isn't reliable. And the people funding the EV agenda aren't reliable either.

I'm in violent agreement with you. The petroleum industry is also on that unreliable list is the point I was trying to make. Everyone has an agenda it seems...

 

[Music Lover]

I'm in violent agreement with you. The petroleum industry is also on that unreliable list is the point I was trying to make. Everyone has an agenda it seems...

Facts seem to be a lot harder to come by these days. I used to think that the internet would help because theoretically ALL of the information would be out there for people to see and then they could weed out the BS. Man, was I ever wrong.

 

[dixonge]

Thought I posted this yesterday but don't see it here. Interesting read.
https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf

Given their fossil fuel ties and right-wing think tank status I'd expect nothing less than for them to push an anti-EV agenda...

https://sfofexposed.org/texas-public-policy-foundation/