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Union! Union! Union!
Unions are fading away and some don't have any power.
Union! Union! Union!
From my previous post:
What does matter is whether workers think that the CEO's wealth was achieved by stealing it from THEM. This is a critical distinction.
Fair point. Knowledge workers (IT, engineers, accountants, etc.) are easy to offshore. Hand's on professions are not. Kids need to know it is OK to pursue these jobs. Over the last 40 years or so, we've done a great job in denigrating such jobs. That was wrong.Well, that depends on the nature of the work. Nurses are a prime example, as is any other occupation that demands "hands on" work. I just read an article about a coming shortage of aircraft technicians, electrical line workers, police officers, and many other jobs that require a physical presence at the location. It's kind of hard to offshore those jobs and the pay scales are beginning to show it. An aircraft technician earns ~$70k a year, not bad for a job that doesn't require a college degree.
It would be $1k more than they otherwise would have had.Splitting that$40M might only add $1,000 or less to the employees.
I think it is also helpful for employees to understand that it is not "their" job. The job belongs to the company. There can be no "they shipped my job overseas" or "the eliminated my job." If it were really "your" job, you could have taken it with you when you quit that employer.A few times I had to explain to new hires just out of school: You are exchanging your skills, specialized techniques which we will teach you at no cost to you, for a set amount of time at a dollar figure we agreed on, to perform tasks we hired you for.
How poor are you talking about? My DD is a manager at a fast food place making $11/hour and manages to save money (with no assistance from us).
From my previous post:
What does matter is whether workers think that the CEO's wealth was achieved by stealing it from THEM. This is a critical distinction.
How could the CEO's steal something from them which never belonged to them to start with?
At $11 an hour, living in the Bay Area, you need to have a room mate! Or get some training and another job! Or a bicycle, so you can be a little further from the main public tranporation stations. Why should someone making minimum wage in California expect to be able to live independently in the Bay Area of all places?The cheapest rentals here within walking distance distance of the main public transportation stations start at $1,700 a month for a one bedroom apartment. On $11 an hour that leaves $192 a month left over for everything else.
From my previous posts (Bolding added for clarification):
What does matter is whether workers think that the CEO's wealth was achieved by stealing it from THEM.
At $11 an hour, living in the Bay Area, you need to have a room mate! Or get some training and another job! Or a bicycle, so you can be a little further from the main public tranporation stations. Why should someone making minimum wage in California expect to be able to live independently in the Bay Area of all places?
The cheapest rentals here within walking distance distance of the main public transportation stations start at $1,700 a month for a one bedroom apartment. On $11 an hour that leaves $192 a month left over for everything else, including groceries, Social Security and FICA deductions, and any health care premiums and deductions (for jobs with health insurance).
Well, that depends on the nature of the work. Nurses are a prime example, as is any other occupation that demands "hands on" work. I just read an article about a coming shortage of aircraft technicians, electrical line workers, police officers, and many other jobs that require a physical presence at the location. It's kind of hard to offshore those jobs and the pay scales are beginning to show it. An aircraft technician earns ~$70k a year, not bad for a job that doesn't require a college degree
I guess I have difficulty believing any person of average intelligence could think that.
How could the CEO's steal something from them which never belonged to them to start with?
I think it is also helpful for employees to understand that it is not "their" job. The job belongs to the company. There can be no "they shipped my job overseas" or "the eliminated my job." If it were really "your" job, you could have taken it with you when you quit that employer.
I work at a unionized manufacturing plant. You'd be astonished what people will believe. Barely half contribute to their 401k, despite a dollar-for-dollar match on the first 6%. Why? "I don't want to give Megacorp any of my money."
And just in case you aren't sufficiently appalled, remember this: they are allowed to reproduce, and their vote counts as much as yours.
I work at a unionized manufacturing plant. You'd be astonished what people will believe. Barely half contribute to their 401k, despite a dollar-for-dollar match on the first 6%. Why? "I don't want to give Megacorp any of my money."
And just in case you aren't sufficiently appalled, remember this: they are allowed to reproduce, and their vote counts as much as yours.
In most cases it does belong to them. A good employee with good work ethic works hard and produces a good product to increase profits for the company thinking they will be compensated for their work in making the co. profitable. But then they see no compensation for their hard work but see the upper brass driving new cars.
People use to work hard for their company because it was like family. The co. would take care of them thru raises or bonuses. But the upper brass figured they will pay the employees just enough so they don't quit then keep the profits for themselves. That's why today most people just do the minimum not to get fired and produce sub par products or services.
Move up or move on then they can have the new cars.
I spent the first half of my carrier as a blue collar union worker (made a mistake and went into management, thats a story for another day) and among my coworkers I would have to say at least 75% of them had 401K's big enough along with their pensions that the day turned 55 they walked out the door.
Part of our orientation when hired emphasized saving for retirement even though our state agency offered 0% match. It was hammered into us that pension alone was not enough.
During our orientation we were given a formula so we could figure out how much of a pension we wanted to retire on and plan accordingly. Then after being vested into the company and over half way thru my career we were told "we decided to change your formula and reduce your pension" so now I have to play catch up.
Now thats a kick in the ass for sure.
Not much empathy for someone who chooses to live in one of the most gentrified places in the country. My DS and BIL make serious coin in the bay area. She's seven years older than me, and they are both still grinding out (likely to ~ 70).
If someone is only worth $11/hour (to an employer), go where the hell $11/hour is real money, or learn to be worth more than $11.
Life is not complicated, but it can be hard.
Yes, the plebes and servants shouldn't be seen. Make them live somewhere else. I guess the COL disparity issue is just as relevant these days as the CEO pay disparity.