You crack me up with your ridiculous near-sighted and narrow minded comments. You have such a limited amount of knowledge about this and related topics that "you don't know what you don't know" as they say. ....
Well, your post pretty well covers it. Since you didn't (can't?) actually address my assertions, you just attack me w/o any back up of your own. Do you really think that is going to influence people (well it might, but probably not in the direction you hoped)?
You know, I started out thinking that this 'EVs charging mostly on marginal dirty power' concept just can't be right, and I waited ~ a month before I posted again on it. But the more I read and think about it and post, and the lack of thoughtful rebuttal now has me very confident that it is correct (and will be for a very long time).
Oh well, despite my knowing better (I'm weak), I'll address your comments:
.. There are numerous sources and interviews with Tesla's leadership which state their goal is to get the major manufacturers to increase transportation use of non-fossil fuels.
That is happening. Compare the variety and manufacturers BEVs and PHEVs that are being produced or planned in the next couple of years. It has changed dramatically in the past 3 years.
I never said people were not producing or did not have plans to produce EVs. In what way does Tesla's goals refute my point that EVs are charging on mostly dirty marginal power? Hah - Exon Mobile's goal is for us to keep using oil, and Peabody's is for us to keep using coal - so?
Again, you don't seem to be able to refute the point, so you change the topic. It's not as clever as you might think, people see right through it. It only serves to make my point stronger. Thank you!
Your perspective is only that something has to go from 0% to 90-100% immediately otherwise it is a failure. You can't even think that change can happen gradually as people accept it *and* as technology evolves and gets more affordable (via competition, scale in purchase power, focus on technical advances, etc).
I fail to see how you can get there from what I posted. Gross misrepresentation IMO, but readers can determine that for themselves.
Why are you even talking about this on a retirement board/forum? Try explaining your view on the related technical boards and let me know how that goes. I certainly don't have time for you go to to school on my dime when there are various more specific forums for this.
Ask the
OP.
Can you suggest a technical board (not a fan site) for this? Sounds like fun. But I also like taking the info to another cross-section of people who are bombarded by the misinformation out there, like "Zero Pollution", etc.
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BTW, ERD50 always says that a hybrid with ICE seems to be the better way to go.... again, I have not seen anybody make any good argument to refute this statement.... but again, car buyers seem to reject this option also....
Thanks for the back up Texas Proud.
I don't know that I'd say buyers are 'rejecting' hybrids. They seem to be getting more and more popular, and more and more models are offered. I think a few things come into play against them not being even more popular though (not in order of importance):
1) People like me don't drive enough miles to make it sound $-wise.
2) Some people who maybe should do it for the economics, just won't (or can't?) pay the upfront cost (short sighted as it may be).
3) In general, I think you give up some passenger/cargo space for the batteries - that's a big deal to some.
4) Maybe a little fear yet (mostly unjustified at this point it seems) of the added complexity, battery replacement costs, etc?
5) Some questions remain regarding the total environmental pro/con factoring in the battery pack production and recycling.
These issues will fade/improve with time I think, especially if gas goes back up to $4, $5 or more.
But as batteries improve, hybrids take advantage of that. They use a lot less of them than a full EV, don't have the range or 'find a socket' issues, so yes, from an environmental standpoint, I do think they are the realistic option for the future. And the data backs that up.
Maybe something even better will come along, that we haven't even seen yet (no, not the 'air car', or the 'hydrogen car')?
-ERD50