Ronstar
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That's yet an extra software add-on cost if you want the feature that keeps driving!
Probably! He did say that they're coming out with new software to use the camera systems better.
That's yet an extra software add-on cost if you want the feature that keeps driving!
Probably! He did say that they're coming out with new software to use the camera systems better.
I would think the car would follow the navigation input rather than blindly go after the car in front of it--perhaps your friend's DW was coming up with an alternate theory to why she was late (that's it, it was the car! Took me right down the off ramp!) . A friend once claimed to her DH that the damage to her car was caused by a rogue shopping cart in a grocery store parking lot that came flying out of nowhere at 25 miles an hour....
Yea... it is the LBYM in me that would not do it...
I looked up and saw one from Honda for $278 plus installation... but did not work with a phone... (BTW, I am cheap and do not use my phone data... it is always off)....
Sure, not a lot of gas, but it is still wasting gas... with an electric you are only cooling down or heating the car...
I just looked and the 2016 has this option on high end.... but it only works from 60 yards or closer...
Bottom line, the cost is not worth the benefit IMO... BTW, I would want it in my Elantra as that is the one I drive the most...
and I'm just pointing out that not only can a hybrid do this, but so can a gas car. It happens to be standard on the Tesla. I'm not sure remote start is standard on any gas car, but it is easy to add.One of the things that I would love about an electric (do not know if a hybrid can do this) is to turn on the AC prior to me getting to the car....
You are still using power with the electric, which reduces the range for that charge, and costs you something to recharge. Not as much as gas, of course, which is just like driving. Is it really much different from just driving a few extra miles?
You initially said
and I'm just pointing out that not only can a hybrid do this, but so can a gas car. It happens to be standard on the Tesla. I'm not sure remote start is standard on any gas car, but it is easy to add.
It's a lot like saying one of the things you'd love about an electric car is to have a navigation system, because it happens to be standard (I think) on the Tesla. But of course you can get it on most cars, or add a Garmin.
If it's not worth it to you, it's not worth it. Not sure why you even brought up that you'd love it in an expensive electric car when you won't even spend a few hundred to put it in your existing car.
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Even crazier is that the are building a new car (model3). That threat have already sold over 400,000 and they hope to make money on that. We shall see
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Talked to my buddy yesterday - his wife has the new self driving model. He said that she uses the self driving feature a lot on the interstate. But it has the tendency to want to take an exit if the car in front of her exits.
You are still using power with the electric, which reduces the range for that charge, and costs you something to recharge. Not as much as gas, of course, which is just like driving. Is it really much different from just driving a few extra miles?
You initially said
and I'm just pointing out that not only can a hybrid do this, but so can a gas car. It happens to be standard on the Tesla. I'm not sure remote start is standard on any gas car, but it is easy to add.
It's a lot like saying one of the things you'd love about an electric car is to have a navigation system, because it happens to be standard (I think) on the Tesla. But of course you can get it on most cars, or add a Garmin.
If it's not worth it to you, it's not worth it. Not sure why you even brought up that you'd love it in an expensive electric car when you won't even spend a few hundred to put it in your existing car.
Electric cars have been around as long a gas powered cars, so it's not that there is a head start to overcome. The problem to overcome was it took 90 years for the battery technology to improve enough to make electric cars feasible.
I saw a show on JAY LENOS"s GARAGE in which he demonstrated one of the early electrics. IIRC Jay said they were very expensive compared to ICE cars - possibly because they were often designed for women (keep in mind things were different back then so don't kill the messenger.) The cars did not need to be cranked. They were outfitted (in Jay's example) with a flower vase inside. Maintenance was minimal. They had very limited range (as in not to get to w*rk or FOR w*rk - but to get to the bridge game or beauty parlor, etc.)
IIRC Jay said that at one time, cars were essentially 1/3 steam, 1/3 ICE and 1/3 electric. Obviously this sorted itself out around the economics and technical capabilities. NOW things have changed. The electric is a "practical" vehicle but its future is not certain nor is clear if it will win the game or remain a relatively small part of the overall mix. We don't even know if the electrical grid can adapt to a huge shift in energy source for transportation.
Still I suppose this is a great time to be alive - watching a potential quantum shift in not only technology but in attitude. I guess we will see how it plays out over the next 10 to 20 years or so. YMMV
.... I agree about the 90 year head start. But they are coming and the transformation is coming
1839 - Robert Anderson of Aberdeen, Scotland built the first electric vehicle.
1870 - Sir David Salomon developed a car with a light electric motor and very heavy storage batteries. Driving speed and range were poor.
1886 - Historical records indicate that an electric-powered taxicab, using a battery with 28 cells and a small electric motor, was introduced in England.
1888 - Immisch & Company built a four-passenger carriage, powered by a one-horsepower motor and 24-cell battery, for the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. In the same year, Magnus Volk in Brighton, England made a three-wheeled electric car.
1890 – 1910 -- Period of significant improvements in battery technology, specifically with development of the modern lead-acid battery by H. Tudor and nickel-iron battery by Edison and Junger.
1897 - The London Electric Cab Company began regular service using cars designed by Walter Bersey. The Bersey Cab, which used a 40-cell battery and 3 horsepower electric motor, could be driven 50 miles between charges.
1897 - The Pope Manufacturing Company of Hartford, Connecticut, built around 500 electric cars over a two-year period.
1898 - The Austrian Dr. Ferdinand Porsche, at age 23, built his first car, the Lohner Electric Chaise. It was the world’s first front-wheel-drive. Porsche’s second car was a hybrid, using an internal combustion engine to spin a generator that provided power to electric motors located in the wheel hubs. On battery alone, the car could travel nearly 40 miles.
In 1870 Siegfried Marcus built the first gasoline powered combustion engine, which he placed on a pushcart, building four progressively sophisticated combustion-engine cars over a 10-to-15-year span that influenced later cars.
... Unfortunately, our infrastructure (primarily electric grid) would not currently support a switch to all electric cars (IMO). Heh, heh, I'm betting ERD50 has addressed this in other Tesla threads. ...
Erd50. I thought retired people were happier?Guess that not so true for you? Maybe I shouldn't retire this year as planned.
Lighten up. You act like you shorted tesla. ?
Just wondering why you are so against the future?
Right, but we got a quite detailed post comparing an ICE Honda Pilot vs a Tesla, and the poster seemed to be justifying/defending the Tesla by using cost of long-term ownership in his analysis and not the luxury components. In that case, why not compare it to a hybrid? I do think someone who wants a Tesla should get a Tesla, as I said.
I see a lot of talk suggesting remote start on gasoline cars being equivalent in convenience to remote HVAC on electric cars (Tesla, specifically). I may have missed it, but did anyone point out the one major difference? You should absolutely never, ever remote-start your gasoline car in a closed garage.
Erd50. I thought retired people were happier?Guess that not so true for you? Maybe I shouldn't retire this year as planned.
You must have this magical talent to be the first at every stop light and every on ramp. I can't usually do rabbit starts because, you know, other traffic.The electric gives you instant effortless power with unbelievable acceleration. I find out I end up getting places much faster due to this.
Not sure about other areas of the country, but I would bet big money that here in Texas there is plenty of extra electricity production potential that goes unused at night... and that is when most people will charge their cars....
I can not find anything about the hourly production, so can only base this on my usage and common sense....
OK.. found something for Texas..... lots of capacity.... top is capacity and bottom is demand....
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Let's all keep in mind that it's a car, not a religion. Be nice to each other.
Let's all keep in mind that it's a car, not a religion. Be nice to each other.