Post Vaccination Behavior

[twaddle]

Stop me if this is old news, but you've all heard the oft-repeated bit that we don't know if being vaccinated reduces transmission, right?

Well, data is trickling in. AstraZeneca a couple weeks ago reported a 50-60% reduction in transmission.

Data from Israel suggests that Pfizer's vaccine is even better. I've read from 75-90% reduction in transmission.

It's epidemiological, so not a very hard-core experiment, but very suggestive of greatly reduced transmission.

Random blurb:

Because Israel tests people fairly comprehensively, the researchers were also able to estimate that the vaccine was 89.4% effective in preventing any detectable infection at all, including asymptomatic infections.

That finding, which is new, suggests that the vaccine could strongly suppress transmission of the virus between people and could help bring the outbreak to an end, a possibility Pfizer and the Israeli researchers say they are closely watching. “Israel provides a unique opportunity to observe the nation-wide impact of an increasing prevalence of immunity on Sars-Cov-2 transmission,” the authors wrote. Eric Topol, a doctor at Scripps Research in California, who reviewed the document, says that “the blocking of infections here speaks to the vaccine’s impact on asymptomatic transmission, which we’ve been unsure about.”​

 

[FIYes]

Once vaccinated, I will still wear a mask to stores and other indoor public places. I currently wear a mask for outdoor walking with my neighbor. We both wear masks and neither of us are vaccinated yet. I am thinking that once we are both fully vaccinated, two weeks after the second shot, I will suggest that we forgo the masks. I figure that by the time we reach that point, it will be hot again. The masks do get hot when we are briskly walking in the summer.

My question is how to behave with unvaccinated people. My sister who is seventy and in poor health plans to refuse the vaccine. I have refused to drive her around in my car during the pandemic. Once I am vaccinated, I don’t know what I will do. I feel like if I do drive her I need to wear a mask in the car. At this point, I am thinking that I will restrict her to meeting places where she is willing to drive to and meet.

 

[Dtail]

Once vaccinated, I will still wear a mask to stores and other indoor public places. I currently wear a mask for outdoor walking with my neighbor. We both wear masks and neither of us are vaccinated yet. I am thinking that once we are both fully vaccinated, two weeks after the second shot, I will suggest that we forgo the masks. I figure that by the time we reach that point, it will be hot again. The masks do get hot when we are briskly walking in the summer.

My question is how to behave with unvaccinated people. My sister who is seventy and in poor health plans to refuse the vaccine. I have refused to drive her around in my car during the pandemic. Once I am vaccinated, I don’t know what I will do. I feel like if I do drive her I need to wear a mask in the car. At this point, I am thinking that I will restrict her to meeting places where she is willing to drive to and meet.

Same issue here but with friends. We have a few friends who are anti vaxxers and once we get vaccinated, do we hang out with them inside their house?
We are leaning towards yes, as how is that different than eating indoors once vaccinated, which we are planning to do.

 

[Born2BRetd]

Just curious - was the the Chula Vista site (I think Petco was closed yesterday). My sister was volunteering there yesterday.

My husband got his first shot (with an appointment) at the Grossmont super site yesterday.

Sorry, I missed your question, Rodi. It was the San Marcos site.

 

[Chuckanut]

Same issue here but with friends. We have a few friends who are anti vaxxers and once we get vaccinated, do we hang out with them inside their house?
We are leaning towards yes, as how is that different than eating indoors once vaccinated, which we are planning to do.

I see anti-vaxxers as being like smokers. They will eventually be crowded out of many events by societal norms. I think the anti-vaxx crowd will be self-limiting.

 

[Chuckanut]

Does anybody know why they record which arm you got the first and second vaccine dose in?

 

[harllee]

Does anybody know why they record which arm you got the first and second vaccine dose in?

I just looked at my vaccine card and it does not show which arm. I don't think which arm was written down anywhere

 

[ivinsfan]

Does anybody know why they record which arm you got the first and second vaccine dose in?

In case your arm falls off....

Or maybe it's like the military where they keep track of everything.

 

[Chuckanut]

I just looked at my vaccine card and it does not show which arm. I don't think which arm was written down anywhere

The vaccine card does not show it. But, the email they sent me afterwards does mention the place of the injection - right deltoid. As part of the check-out procedure they specifically asked. That's why I'm asking.

 

[ivinsfan]

The vaccine card does not show it. But, the email they sent me afterwards does mention the place of the injection - right deltoid. As part of the check-out procedure they specifically asked. That's why I'm aksing.

No asked us so I don't know the answer to your question.

 

[cathy63]

The vaccine card does not show it. But, the email they sent me afterwards does mention the place of the injection - right deltoid. As part of the check-out procedure they specifically asked. That's why I'm asking.

The vaccinators at the site I volunteer at always fill it in, and they do correct it if the patient changes his mind. I don't know if it's just because it's a required field in the Epic charting system they use, or if it's a best practice for all vaccines. I'll ask tomorrow (assuming we get enough Moderna vaccine to actually open the site).

 

[MuirWannabe]

Stop me if this is old news, but you've all heard the oft-repeated bit that we don't know if being vaccinated reduces transmission, right?



Well, data is trickling in. AstraZeneca a couple weeks ago reported a 50-60% reduction in transmission.



Data from Israel suggests that Pfizer's vaccine is even better. I've read from 75-90% reduction in transmission.



It's epidemiological, so not a very hard-core experiment, but very suggestive of greatly reduced transmission.



Random blurb:

Because Israel tests people fairly comprehensively, the researchers were also able to estimate that the vaccine was 89.4% effective in preventing any detectable infection at all, including asymptomatic infections.



That finding, which is new, suggests that the vaccine could strongly suppress transmission of the virus between people and could help bring the outbreak to an end, a possibility Pfizer and the Israeli researchers say they are closely watching. “Israel provides a unique opportunity to observe the nation-wide impact of an increasing prevalence of immunity on Sars-Cov-2 transmission,” the authors wrote. Eric Topol, a doctor at Scripps Research in California, who reviewed the document, says that “the blocking of infections here speaks to the vaccine’s impact on asymptomatic transmission, which we’ve been unsure about.”​

Obviously it’s still not definitive, but I find this encouraging. I’m living life normally now that I’m 2 weeks post 2nd shot. But still wearing a mask where necessary of course. And I will continue to do so until this requirement dissolves. But like most normal people I hate wearing the mask, and can’t wait for it to be history. If I understand the gist of your post correctly, it’s a harbinger of good news towards possibly being able to get rid of masks sooner rather than later. That’s an exciting prospect!

 

[Badger]

I don't recall being asked the second time. I just sat down in the chair that was provided. The nurse was on my left side so that is the arm that got poked.


Cheers!

 

[braumeister]

I wasn't aware that they recorded which arm they use, but it's probably not a bad idea.

When I go for my second shot, I'll definitely get it in the right arm because I tend to sleep on my left side a lot. My understanding is that many people have a significant reaction to the second one, although I had zero reaction to the first one.

 

[twaddle]

Obviously it’s still not definitive, but I find this encouraging. I’m living life normally now that I’m 2 weeks post 2nd shot. But still wearing a mask where necessary of course. And I will continue to do so until this requirement dissolves. But like most normal people I hate wearing the mask, and can’t wait for it to be history. If I understand the gist of your post correctly, it’s a harbinger of good news towards possibly being able to get rid of masks sooner rather than later. That’s an exciting prospect!

I briefly took off my mask, shouted "yay!" and then put it back on.

In my town, I would get a bunch of evil eyes and lectures if I took off my mask in public, so at this point, the mask protects me against being ostracized.

 

[mystang52]

Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids!

 

[Dtail]

Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids!

Very nice. The way it should be.

 

[Born2BRetd]

Sunday, 10 days after our second shot, we visited my son (he and his DW also vaccinated) ...........and our 2 grandchildren. The youngest is not yet 3 and won't wear a mask, but everyone else did. Got lots of overdue hugs, and sat on the floor to play with blocks with the 3 year old. It was joyous.
In a couple of days, on to the other pair of grandkids!

So happy for you! Your post made me smile.

 

[disneysteve]

A cautionary tale:

I am a physician. We see COVID patients. The entire staff has had both doses of their vaccine. We take all of the appropriate precautions at work.

One staff member, who had the 2nd dose in mid January, got sick yesterday and tested positive for COVID.

The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.

 

[REWahoo]

A cautionary tale:

I am a physician. We see COVID patients. The entire staff has had both doses of their vaccine. We take all of the appropriate precautions at work.

One staff member, who had the 2nd dose in mid January, got sick yesterday and tested positive for COVID.

The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card. It doesn't mean you can resume all of your normal activities or stop wearing a mask and distancing. You are still at risk of catching it. You are still at risk of transmitting it to others. You're less likely to get seriously ill, but that's really the main benefit as far as we know right now.

Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.

 

[JoeWras]

5% is still 1 out of 20. Not insignificant.

 

[MuirWannabe]

Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.

Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.

If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.

 

[harllee]

Guess I’m trying to understand what the unfortunate outcome was. In his post he said someone with the vaccine later got Covid. But no description of severity. If he got an asymptomatic case of Covid then I say ‘so what’. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.

If vaccines don’t solve this thing called Covid then what the heck will? I’m fully vaccinated and I feel pretty bulletproof when it comes to Covid. That is, as bulletproof as one can feel about anything I suppose. It’s almost like lots of folks don’t really want this to end...paging Dr. Fauci.

Well he did say his coworker "got sick" and then tested positive for Covid. So the coworker is not asymptomatic but we don't know how sick the coworker is, probably too early to tell. I am almost 2 weeks from the second vaccine and don't feel bullet proof at all. I do believe that if I catch Covid I will not be as sick as I would have been without the vaccine. In my opinion we are just too early in the vaccination process for any of us to feel bulletproof.

 

[Chuckanut]

Thanks for posting this and pointing out an example of why thinking we're bulletproof after being vaccinated could lead to an unfortunate outcome.

I look at my vaccination as an additional layer of powerful protection that is always with me. And I can't mess up by forgetting about it, misusing it, or choosing to ignore it for the sake of convenience. It will have great value when one is in a situation where exposure to potential virus shedders cannot be avoided.

I am thinking of the recent Texas freeze. Imagine if a friend's family has no power at their home and you do. You invite them to share your spare bedroom in your cozy warm house with the windows closed and lots of air to share over and over and over again. I would think most of us would sleep better knowing that the vaccine was boosting our immunity.

 

[explanade]

The coworker could end up being a long hauler for all we know.