RetiredHappy
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If you read her other threads, she called everyone else an idiot or dumb. Best to ignore her.
no i did after bought. but I see the sentence to include more forgiven. there is new law to pass. it is called Freedom to Farm Act. So farming is more encouraged to expand the forgiven more.
Your post made me curious, so I have done some reading. My current understanding of the Freedom to Farm Act (which appears to be duplicated in most other states) is that it was designed to protect farmers in the following situation: A hog farming operation has been in operation for the past 100 years in a rural area. As suburban sprawl expanded, subdivisions eventually sprang up next to the hog farm. Eventually, the new residents sued the hog farmer for public nuisance due to the odor and got the farm shut down. Essentially, the new Freedom to Farm law said "the farmer was here first. He was obeying the law. You moved here later, knowing that there was a hog farm next door, and it is unfair for you now to be able to shut down the hog farm. So we will protect him."
That approach intuitively makes sense and seems fair. However, I don't believe that the law was ever intended to allow people to move into a city and declare that they are starting a farm and are therefore not required to abide by zoning regulations and city ordinances regarding the keeping of animals. However, I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert on this. I have just spent some time searching the internet and reading what I have found. I have no idea how the Freedom to Farm Act works in actual practice in Missouri. So you should consult your own local lawyer if you want to contest the Florissant municipal ordinance.
If you read her other threads, she called everyone else an idiot or dumb. Best to ignore her.
California has transparentcalifornia. MO has https://mapyourtaxes.mo.gov/MAP/Employees/ . I don't know about other states.
Does your state have a public database with government employee's compensation?
Freedom to farm act didnt passed in mo. I dont know other states. I dont know the story either. I read the full text of the bill. .........
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while in the phone conversation, I felt he was just making thing up, that's why I called him here idiot. If he was a good worker, let me check, and give some answer, but he was acting like king, whatever I say is the rule.
Frankly keeping Roosters is a Fowl Action
Now you say the Farm Act you have been quoting as your right to farm in a city, doesn't even exist in MO. (according to you).
If you are having problems with your farm in the city, it's probably because some neighbors don't like it and complain to the city. That is why the City comes around.
Then you get in a big argument thinking you know all the rules, well no wonder the City workers don't want to help you figure out what is allowed.
If my neighbor wants to keep some chickens , I don't care, but if one kept a rooster, I'd probably care as those things can make a lot of noise all day long, I was in TN and one down the street wouldn't shut up for a week when sun was out.
Others are correct, you can find any number of lawyers to help you out and spend lots of money endlessly and thinking the City will reimburse you the costs is wishful thinking. Better chance to win the PowerBall. Much of any costs you incur are at your own whim.
Proceedings in court are generally spoken publicly, that is standard, if you don't like what a Judge said about you in Court, don't end up in Court.
Freedom to farm act didnt passed in mo. I dont know other states. I dont know the story either. I read the full text of the bill. this is the summery part.
Current Bill Summary
SB 1318 - The act establishes the "Freedom to Farm Act" which provides that the right of farmers and ranchers, as defined in the act, to engage in farming and ranching practices for sale or personal consumption shall be free from government intervention and that practices occurring within the state shall not be infringed upon by the federal government under the regulation of interstate commerce.
LOL, and I laugh at the joke. But the rooster's job is to protect the flock. Banning roosters is cruel IMO. I have (feral) chickens so I see the flock dynamics everyday. I get that many people who do not live in rural areas do not want to hear roosters crowing. So ban all chickens. But wait, chickens have lived with humans since prehistory and are endemic in many areas. I think I read somewhere that cities have a hard time banning chickens because of longstanding agricultural rights in this country. I know nothing about that but I think banning roosters without banning all chickens is idiotic, cruel, and ignorant.
You're not a farmer, you want own a rooster in the city.
But if you want to pretend to be a farmer, use some of your money to buy a place outside of the city where farmers and hobby farmers are welcome.
I think I can call myself farmer. I have more than a hundred blackberry trees. It started from one tree a few years ago. I dont sell anything. But farming for personal consumption can be farming and a farmer.
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I am talking about two laws. Right to Farm and Freedom to Farm.
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If I dont like the judgement, I can appeal, that's the law system. So I am utilizing it, what is wrong with that?
That's a lot of blackberries. What do you do with your excess produce and eggs? As you said you're not interested in selling it but do you give it away to your neighbors or anyone that can use it? If you want to be a good citizen that might be a way to get the community on your side especially if in a low income community. Not suggesting you let people wander onto your property but maybe once a week [ut a table out by the gate or somethingI think I can call myself farmer. I have more than a hundred blackberry trees. It started from one tree a few years ago. I dont sell anything. But farming for personal consumption can be farming and a farmer.
That's a lot of blackberries. What do you do with your excess produce and eggs? As you said you're not interested in selling it but do you give it away to your neighbors or anyone that can use it? If you want to be a good citizen that might be a way to get the community on your side especially if in a low income community. Not suggesting you let people wander onto your property but maybe once a week [ut a table out by the gate or something
Personal consumption can also be called gardening, and gardener.
How much land do you have ?
If it's less than 20 acres, I'd call it gardening.
Thanks for clearing up that the 2 Farm laws/regulation discussed are different things !
It's true that you can appeal a judgement if you don't like it, or even if you like it. But why are you appealing ?
What is wrong is:
If the cost of the judgement is small, it's dumb to appeal as the cost of the appeal will be more than the cost of the judgment.
Example: I once got a speeding ticket, cost $120 , I could have gone to court and fought it myself for a cost of ~$500 or hired a lawyer at a cost of $2,000. I paid it as it was the best choice, and drove slower through that speed trap after that !
I am not an expert on farming although I had several relatives that did own and operate traditional farms. As I read several laws referenced earlier in this thread, it appears that to be classified as a farm, there must be a financial exchange for the goods produced. I don't think that planting/harvesting or keeping animals for one's own consumption, sharing with neighbors, or donating excess goods would qualify as farming. It would imply to me at least, listing farming on one's 1040 form occupation, paying income taxes and SS taxes on money earned and taking tax deductions on items for operation.
There is a big difference between gardening and farming. Farming is a business not a hobby.
You have over 100 blackberry trees/bushes on less than 1/4 acre? That's a lot, do you cut them back from the fence so they are not protruding into neighbors yards? What else to you plant for food on your property.
On of our neighbors planted raspberry bushes and we worked for years to cut them back from our property before she finally took them out--they were overtaking her yard!