I read KM's statement to mean that people all hopped up on adrenaline and itching to be a hero would hear the rumor that an asian guy had done the shooting and would have a jumpy trigger finger when they saw an asian person. That doesn't mean they are racist, it just means they are not trained peace officers and therefore could react erratically and jump to conclusions in the heat of the moment, and should not be carrying guns around when they don't know what they are doing. People might be just as trigger happy if KM had said the shooter was a white male with a blond beard, since that description could similarly stand out from the general college population.
Well Geeze wiz the shooter was a psycho and was in a mental institution!
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I read KM's statement to mean that people all hopped up on adrenaline and itching to be a hero would hear the rumor that an asian guy had done the shooting and would have a jumpy trigger finger when they saw an asian person. That doesn't mean they are racist, it just means they are not trained peace officers and therefore could react erratically and jump to conclusions in the heat of the moment, and should not be carrying guns around when they don't know what they are doing. People might be just as trigger happy if KM had said the shooter was a white male with a blond beard, since that description could similarly stand out from the general college population.
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I think all of the psychos should be put in concentration camps and covered in cheese whiz...
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Maybe it comes down to your interpertation of the word racist.
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I'm also in favor of allowing people to arm themselves for self protection. I'll always opt for the choice to defend myself and my family if I can help it.
I don't like the gun-free zones. I really don't feel safer in them mostly because criminals don't obey the law like the rest of us.
Interesting about the shooters mental history. I wonder what he reported on his firearm purchase record when asked about mental illness?
I don't like the gun-free zones. I really don't feel safer in them mostly because criminals don't obey the law like the rest of us.
Interesting about the shooters mental history. I wonder what he reported on his firearm purchase record when asked about mental illness?
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I think all of the psychos should be put in concentration camps and covered in cheese whiz...
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OOOhhhhhh, concentrated cheeze whiz. Now I'm hungry.
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The handgun/gun dispute. No easy answer here.
I am conflicted about it. I think law abiding citizens should be able to own one if they choose. But the crazies and criminals out there are a threat.
Something that kinda makes sense but also seems nutty is the rationale: let's arm ourselves so we can protect ourselves from the crazies and criminals.
Personally I do not own one. If I did, I would not go around packing just waiting for the one in a million chance that I might need to protect myself.
I adhere to the principle of trying to avoiding the circumstances that could get me in a situation where I might need a gun. But I realize sometimes trouble finds you.
I am conflicted about it. I think law abiding citizens should be able to own one if they choose. But the crazies and criminals out there are a threat.
Something that kinda makes sense but also seems nutty is the rationale: let's arm ourselves so we can protect ourselves from the crazies and criminals.
Personally I do not own one. If I did, I would not go around packing just waiting for the one in a million chance that I might need to protect myself.
I adhere to the principle of trying to avoiding the circumstances that could get me in a situation where I might need a gun. But I realize sometimes trouble finds you.
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I think the answer is not easy and would require the resolve of many people/organizations. 1) I don't think the media should release any information about the identity of the killers. This would stop the mentality of, "Nobody even knows who I am. I'm going to kill myself and as many other people as I can. They'll remember me then." 2) There should be a database, similar to NCIC specifically for people diagnosed with certain mental health conditions. This database would not include those who have been diagnosed with maladies typically not including violence. 3) Concealed carry laws should be changed to allow for yearly firearms training. This could be accomplished by requiring the concealed carry permit to be renewed yearly. After so many years of possessing a carry permit the time for renewal could be extended out (i.e. the first two permits are valid for one year each. The third and fourth are valid for three years and all subsequent are valid for five years.) Training needs to be more in-depth. 4) Firearms should be allowed on campus. Not everyone would carry, but those who do, would at least have some training.
These are my thoughts on the whole thing.
These are my thoughts on the whole thing.
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And there's the rub. I am a gun owner and have a carry permit but don't carry. A few months ago i got tangled up with some Pit bulls. No pistol on me and i ended up a bit bit and called 911 since the dogs were hanging around and having an aggressive good time. Took an officer 20-30 minutes to arrive and he shot one of the dogs within a minute or so of arriving (dog went for a girl walking down the alley). So. we got lucky that the dogs didn't do more damage before he arrived. Owning guns and having a permit does no good if they firearm isn't right at hand when you need it. You almost never need it. It's not the wild west. I can't be bothered to carry a penknife, much less 3# of pistol all the time.
It offends me to read that killers get to empty their firearms and reload to kill some more. In balance though, is more death likely if everyone is packing or if the rare killers get 20-45 minutes of unhindered freefire time? I suspect the former. Wonder what the level of looney-murders is in Israel, a country that i suspect has more firearms at hand than here?
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I usually hear the same arguments when a state passes concealed carry laws making it easier for its law abiding citizens to carry. They are typically "it will be the wild west all over again" or "there will be no minor arguments anymore, only gunfights!"
That just doesn't happen. In most cases crime rates go down and there is no increase in gun violence.
I hate reading from the survivors of these killings that they had to "play dead" or were just waiting to get shot and killed.
I certainly want to defend myself if I have a choice. Law enforcement won't be there to do it and have no legal responsibility to defend you.
That just doesn't happen. In most cases crime rates go down and there is no increase in gun violence.
I hate reading from the survivors of these killings that they had to "play dead" or were just waiting to get shot and killed.
I certainly want to defend myself if I have a choice. Law enforcement won't be there to do it and have no legal responsibility to defend you.
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So lets assume you have the choice, lets even say you have the legal choice. Are you really going to pack heat all the time? Just got back from shooting with a friend - he had a new Airweight .38. Surprisingly nice pistol to shoot - lots more compact than my .45 and just under a pound empty - but i still can't see myself carting it around ALL the time - but maybe i'm weird - don't carry much in my pockets at all. What do you think. For reals - would you carry all the time? Won't do you any good if you aren't packing when that rare time you need it comes up... Some years ago the same friend i was just shooting with got ratpacked by his stepson and a number of the kid's friends. He was carrying and got pretty scuffed up - told me later the main thing he was concerned about was that the gun not be seen and become part of the fight. Threatening the stepson and his friends with the pistol was meaningless unless he was willing to shoot one or more of them, and he wasn't. Lots to think about before the fact.
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I'm the same - I have a Glock 26 and a Kimber cdp II and they are too much to carry around.
Ruger is coming out with a 38 auto that might work.
The Ruger LCP™ - Lightweight Compact Pistol
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Saw that one - TopGlock deals emailed me to pre-order - 9.5 oz. and a lot more round than the 1920 build .25 Colt vest pocket pistol i have kicking around - and 2.5 oz lighter. Be hard pressed to hit a wall from inside a room with the .25 - and it would likely peeve anything shot with it. Lord knows you don't want to just peeve something you shoot.
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I really wish these media types would stop publicizing the name and face of the perp. I really do think that's what motivates some of these people, and if they were treated as some anonymous no-name then at least some of their motivation might be gone.
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The access time in a surprise situation really is the issue in using a gun for self defense. Someone who is going to commit a crime with a gun will have prepared beforehand... they will have recently practiced with the gun, will have it loaded, will have it close at hand, and will be emotionally and mentally ready to use it.
A person who uses a gun for self defense will be caught by surprise. They most likely won't have had recent training or practice, won't have it loaded, and most likely will have the gun in a safe or other storage where it will take a little while to dig out. And they will have the burden of having to obey the law and not shoot people who don't deserve it.
It's just not practical for most gun owners to carry a loaded gun on their person in nonthreatening situations like college classes, or sitting at home.
A person who uses a gun for self defense will be caught by surprise. They most likely won't have had recent training or practice, won't have it loaded, and most likely will have the gun in a safe or other storage where it will take a little while to dig out. And they will have the burden of having to obey the law and not shoot people who don't deserve it.
It's just not practical for most gun owners to carry a loaded gun on their person in nonthreatening situations like college classes, or sitting at home.
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Anyone see that the guy was complaining the meds made him feel zombie like. Wont take much for a lawyer to pick up on that and go after the pharma companies.
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Your assertion that people store their firearms in safes or other inaccessible place is valid at home, in this situation it is irrelevant. The incident did not happen at home. When carrying a concealed firearm, it is pointless and stupid not to have it loaded. Everyone I have stopped who did carry concealed also carried it loaded (that's kind of the idea). An unloaded firearm is useless when it is needed, and the firearm is carried in case it is needed. Those people also took carrying their firearm seriously and did practice often.
As far a practicability for people to carry their firearms, as a person who has carried one for many years, the equipment for carrying and the firearms ideal for carrying are comfortable and in many situations not very noticeable. My most recent set up was a simple belly bag. The .40 cal pistol I carried was small enough to fit inside without causing any large identifying bulges and was easily accessible. The trouble to strap it on was not much more involved than a woman grabbing her purse. So in my experience it is very practical to carry a concealed weapon.
I carry a gun with me, at all times (of course except on college campuses, where its illegal). My gun is always loaded (cocked and locked, if you will).
When I'm sleeping there is a small lockbox that can be opened with a 3 digit combination right by my bed. I have practiced and can open it in the dark, while groggy if need be.
I go to the shooting range about once a month, sometimes more.
I am not a cop, just your average computer programmer who believes in the second amendment and protecting my family.
Like the pitbull story, the cops are not going to be there until it is to late.
When I'm sleeping there is a small lockbox that can be opened with a 3 digit combination right by my bed. I have practiced and can open it in the dark, while groggy if need be.
I go to the shooting range about once a month, sometimes more.
I am not a cop, just your average computer programmer who believes in the second amendment and protecting my family.
Like the pitbull story, the cops are not going to be there until it is to late.
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Makes you wonder if it's a coincidence that these shootings keep happening in "gun free zones."
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