NFL: 2017 Season

[jazz4cash]

I've seen the 10 second runoff lots of times. That was a first time I can recall seeing it result in no time left in the game though.

I've seen it applied several times when it resulted in game over, but I haven't heard any reason whatsoever why it was required in this case. "By Rule" is not an explanation. If the ref had not signaled TD, the Lions could have run another play on 4th down.

 

[exnavynuke]

I've seen it applied several times when it resulted in game over, but I haven't heard any reason whatsoever why it was required in this case. "By Rule" is not an explanation. If the ref had not signaled TD, the Lions could have run another play on 4th down.

ARTICLE 4. REPLAY REVIEW AFTER TWO-MINUTE WARNING OF EITHER HALF. If a replay review after the two-minute warning of either half results in the on-field ruling being reversed and the correct ruling would not have stopped the game clock, then the officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ball to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The defense cannot decline the runoff, but either team can use a remaining timeout to prevent it.

The rule states it's required. The replay determined he was down by contact and thus the game clock would have continued running if the correct call had been made. Thus, with no time out available for either team at that point to prevent the runoff, the 10 second runoff was required "by rule" to take place.

Whether the lions could have got another play off if he was correctly ruled short of the end zone is a "what if" that doesn't matter at this point since that's not what happened.

 

[Jeffman52]

He was obviously down in replay but everyone, including the refs thought they saw a TD, so the TD was called. A vast majority of the time, if there is any doubt on the TD, they call the TD and let the film sort it out. But in this case, it was in the last seconds of the game which invoked the 10 second runoff. But if it had been a TD, and not called a TD, then there is nothing to review on the play, and lets say the Lions don't get in. Then they would be pissed that the original TD had not been called.

Could the Lions have gotten to the line, and gotten another play off? Maybe, but there was no way for them to get a huddle to get a play call out there to their players, and its 4th down so they cant spike it. The odds are against them making another play, and the odds are even greater that they get a procedural penalty because no one has time to line up properly. However it would have been better for the Lions if the correct call had been called the first time so they would have at least that chance. Small though it was. Horrible way to lose a game.

Go Falcons!!!

 

[mistermike40]

The rule states it's required.

Agreed, but that's not the intent of the rule... the runoff was the result of the refs botching the call... it's not like Detroit faked an injury or intentionally committed a penalty to stop the clock.

It won't be the first time a rule is "re-interpreted" after the Lions lose a game because of some inane and misguided rule (anyone remember the Calvin Johnson game-winning touchdown that wasn't, because he didn't "complete the process"?).

 

[exnavynuke]

Agreed, but that's not the intent of the rule... the runoff was the result of the refs botching the call... it's not like Detroit faked an injury or intentionally committed a penalty to stop the clock.

It won't be the first time a rule is "re-interpreted" after the Lions lose a game because of some inane and misguided rule (anyone remember the Calvin Johnson game-winning touchdown that wasn't, because he didn't "complete the process"?).

Did you read the rule I quoted? The rule is specifically about a "botched call" that is overturned on review... not an injury or a penalty. There's nothing to re-interpret here. The rule is designed exactly for the situation that happened - a play that stopped the clock based on the original call on the field being reviewed and the ruling switched to one in which the clock should have continued running.

 

[jazz4cash]

I could see a 10 sec runoff if it was a longer pass but they had plenty of time to run another play on such a short field. Unfortunate way to lose a game.

 

[Ronstar]

The Bears are unstoppable. Played decent defense and the running game saved the day. Now to find a passing game.

 

[mistermike40]

Did you read the rule I quoted? The rule is specifically about a "botched call" that is overturned on review... not an injury or a penalty. There's nothing to re-interpret here. The rule is designed exactly for the situation that happened - a play that stopped the clock based on the original call on the field being reviewed and the ruling switched to one in which the clock should have continued running.

My bad - I skimmed over some of the quotes here (and I read quite a few others today on other forums)... yours was the first to specify its use for an overturned call.

My understanding was the intent of this rule is to prevent an offense from intentionally stopping the clock when out of timeouts.

Re: yesterdays Falcons/Lions game, it still seems like Detroit was penalized for the refs making the wrong call on the field. Anyway, thanks for clarifying the rule!

 

[Corporateburnout]

The Bears are unstoppable. Played decent defense and the running game saved the day. Now to find a passing game.

What a bonehead play by Cooper after the blocked FG. He stopped running at the 10 yard line and was caught from behind by the Steelers' tight end and they had to settle for a FG. Bad showmanship almost cost them the game.

If he played for the PATS he would have been cut today.

 

[Ronstar]

What a bonehead play by Cooper after the blocked FG. He stopped running at the 10 yard line and was caught from behind by the Steelers' tight end and they had to settle for a FG. Bad showmanship almost cost them the game.

If he played for the PATS he would have been cut today.

I wish the Bears would have cut him today.

 

[Car-Guy]

The Texans are heading in the right direction in my opinion. The defense has been good with Watt and Clowney but now the offense seems to have improved with the rookie QB.

Agree. I was concerned that Watt wouldn't be ~100% after his injuries last year but it looks like he's back at/or near full strength. Heck even at 90%, he'd be awesome.

 

[pb4uski]

What a bonehead play by Cooper after the blocked FG. He stopped running at the 10 yard line and was caught from behind by the Steelers' tight end and they had to settle for a FG. Bad showmanship almost cost them the game.

If he played for the PATS he would have been cut today.

+1 true bonehead

 

[Jeffman52]

I watched the Cards and Boys play last night. I thought the Cards Defense had a good game plan going in but somewhere along the way they botched the whole thing. They were selling out to stop the run early and daring Dak to beat them through the air. That was working pretty well, and then Dak made a couple of really good throws and they started defending the rest of the field better. That opened up holes for Elliot to kill them in the running game. The offense which had held the Dallas D off early, seemed to wilt about halfway through the second quarter and Dallas was getting to Carson with a 3 man rush.

 

[Montecfo]

I watched the Cards and Boys play last night. I thought the Cards Defense had a good game plan going in but somewhere along the way they botched the whole thing. They were selling out to stop the run early and daring Dak to beat them through the air. That was working pretty well, and then Dak made a couple of really good throws and they started defending the rest of the field better. That opened up holes for Elliot to kill them in the running game. The offense which had held the Dallas D off early, seemed to wilt about halfway through the second quarter and Dallas was getting to Carson with a 3 man rush.

I am not sure Dallas wins without that D-Line's 6 sacks including 3 by DeMarcus Lawrence alone.

 

[jazz4cash]

Wow, watching fans sitting on metal bleachers in pouring rain while the game is delayed and field cleared due to lighting in the area. Bears v. Packers Thursday Night Football

 

[gerntz]

Who's in first? Who's in last?

 

[aaronc879]

What a horrible hit the Bears' Trevathan made on the Packers' Adams. A clearly intentional, vicious hit like that should result in a suspension. If it's a first offense then I guess one game would be ok but if he's done it before then it should be 4 games minimum. Inexcusable. Luckily it looks like he'll be ok. If he wasn't ok then that should treated as a criminal act.

 

[Red Badger]

After 30 years of being a loyal NFL fan, Saturday is now the only day that I watch feetball. If I want to watch politics or talking head/pundit debates, there are more than enough outlets for that. I'm done.

 

[davemartin88]

After 30 years of being a loyal NFL fan, Saturday is now the only day that I watch feetball. If I want to watch politics or talking head/pundit debates, there are more than enough outlets for that. I'm done.

So why post in this thread?

 

[Jeffman52]

Falcons blew a winnable game at home. The bye could not come at a better time. Julio out with a hip flexor injury, Sanu out with a hamstring, Jack Crawford may be out for the year, Ryan Shraeder Cocussion protocol, Ricardo Allen concussion protocal, Trevon Ward out with a neck injury, Vic Beasely out with a hamstring, Courtney Upshaw out with an ankle iinjury

I tip my hat to the Bills who came in and played a very good game. Their kicker is money!!! Injuries are never an excuse in the NFL. Next man up. The one bad call was blatently bad but the Falcons had plenty of opportunity to put this game away. 2nd and 1 in the redzone, 3rd and 1 in the redzone, 4th and 1 in the redzone with 40 seconds left. Falcons didnt execute and it cost them the game. Falcons coaches, read my lips, RUN THE D*** BALL!!!!

 

[Midpack]

Looks like it's not going to be a good year for the Pats, though they did start out 2-2 in 2014 and put together a decent season. The O is OK, but the D is the worst I can remember for quite a while. Time will tell...

 

[Corporateburnout]

Looks like it's not going to be a good year for the Pats, though they did start out 2-2 in 2014 and put together a decent season. The O is OK, but the D is the worst I can remember for quite a while. Time will tell...

+1. I haven't seen such a bad defense during the Belichick era. They did turn it around and won the SB in 2014 but the defense wasn't as bad.

The secondary was suppose to be the most talented they've had in years but they seem to be confused on coverage and leaving receivers wide open. Hopefully they can turn it around...

 

[pb4uski]

-1 there have been many years where they struggled during the regular season and made continual improvements and were in good form by the time the playoffs rolled around.... a likely scenario this year (I hope).

 

[Senator]

Falcons blew a winnable game at home.!

Did the Oakland Raiders throw the game against the Redskins?

 

[Car-Guy]

Looks like it's not going to be a good year for the Pats, though they did start out 2-2 in 2014 and put together a decent season. The O is OK, but the D is the worst I can remember for quite a while. Time will tell...

And they are very lucky they are not 1 and 3. Houston had them beat until the last minute of the game last week. Yes, a win is a win but that was a close one and should not have been.