Delta variant can infect families from exposed children, even vaccinated adults.

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Its getting a little strange here in SW Oregon (Rogue Valley) I just learned the National Guard is going to be setting up field tents at our local hospital because they are completely out of space and the Governor has just reinstated a mask mandate. I don't really follow national news much is this going on anywhere else?. The county I live in has about the lowest vaccination rate in Oregon (below 50%) but this seems a bit extreme.

Um, yes, southeastern states are suffering a huge COVID delta variant outbreak. Hospitals overflowing.

So maybe not so extreme?
 
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But, then, they asked me if I had traveled in the last 2 weeks to any region with high Covid cases. I was somewhat bemused by this. I responded that I hadn't...but that I do still live in Texas.
Yeah! Love it!

(What were they thinking!?!)
 
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There is no winning this thread, no getting the last word. I think we all know by now that everyone had to decide how much risk they are personally comfortable with. So, let's knock that off to allow those who want to talk about the actual situation, stats, etc., to continue to do so.
 
Just remember that rapid tests are only useful if they are positive. If you test negative, that doesn't really rule out infection. There is a significant false negative rate. You could also still be in the incubation period and not yet testing positive. Please don't use a negative rapid test as justification for attending a big family function, traveling, not wearing a mask, etc. Don't be lulled into a false sense of security with that home test (or any rapid test for that matter). Even a PCR isn't perfect but it's a lot better.

Thanks, disneysteve, we are not doing any family functions, not traveling, are vaccinated and wearing masks. We ordered these to have in case either of us felt ill but maybe they are no help for this either. It is getting impossible to make an appointment for a Covid test in my area.
 
We are seeing more positive tests in urgent care here in NJ including in vaccinated patients. The bigger problem, though, is the insane volume of people we have to test. Every patient with cold, allergy, asthma, sinus, COPD, GI, or any other sort of flu-like symptoms has to be treated as a COVID suspect and seen in one of our isolation rooms regardless of vaccination status. It’s really wearing us down and overwhelming the system. I hope it dies down soon. We are deeply concerned about what will happen once schools reopen in a few weeks and all the sick kids start pouring in too.
 
The media amplify bad news and provide little perspective. Focusing on case counts as if every one represents serious disease or death misrepresents the facts and overstates risk. This coverage has badly skewed our understanding of the risks and mortality of Covid.

Cases are at least than 50 percent of the peak nationally. Deaths are closer to 20 percent of peak. There is no number of deaths that is tolerable. But context aids one's understanding of risks.

In my view everyone should avail themselves of the best information and take precautions they seem appropriate all things considered. For me this also means embracing optimism and managing needless worry, as is also consistent with good health.


+1000.
 
We are seeing more positive tests in urgent care here in NJ including in vaccinated patients. The bigger problem, though, is the insane volume of people we have to test. Every patient with cold, allergy, asthma, sinus, COPD, GI, or any other sort of flu-like symptoms has to be treated as a COVID suspect and seen in one of our isolation rooms regardless of vaccination status. It’s really wearing us down and overwhelming the system. I hope it dies down soon. We are deeply concerned about what will happen once schools reopen in a few weeks and all the sick kids start pouring in too.
Oh man! I feel for you guys! Thank you for your public service!
 
I am trying to find some rapid home Covid tests to have just in case. All the local drugstores and Walmart near me are sold out. I have ordered some from Amazon but my order has never been confirmed, they may be on back order.

We can order through Walmart.com and they have plenty of stock. We still have 6 boxes with total of 12 test kits sitting at home just in case we want to do a test if we get exposed.
 
I know a lot of people who had Covid in 2020. And a few who died from it. I understood the gravity of the situation back then.

But now I’m confused. I don’t know anyone who has had Covid this year. Yet my county ranks no 1 in the chicago area for cases per 100,000 people. I have to mask up, wait in the parking lot, and get temp taken when I go to the doctor, yet nobody is wearing masks in restaurants. I took a tour bus where masks were required when the bus was moving, but not when the bus stopped. There is no consistency in required/ suggested safety measures.

We were lead to believe that vaccinations would lead to the end of Covid, but now we are told that infections are rising as vaccinations are rising. And 90% of the Newsbreaks I get on my watch suggest that Covid is out of control.

We can look at all of the news and statistics and not arrive at a consensus on the severity of Covid. Im not going to try to figure it out. I’ll just stay as safe while trying to lead a normal life and let the chips fall where they may.
 
Um, yes, southeastern states are suffering a huge COVID delta variant outbreak. Hospitals overflowing.

So maybe not so extreme?

Yep. Starting to see events being cancelled around here and we live in a state with a low vaccination rate. The daily positivity rate is higher today than it has been since this started. :(
 
We are seeing more positive tests in urgent care here in NJ including in vaccinated patients. The bigger problem, though, is the insane volume of people we have to test. Every patient with cold, allergy, asthma, sinus, COPD, GI, or any other sort of flu-like symptoms has to be treated as a COVID suspect and seen in one of our isolation rooms regardless of vaccination status. It’s really wearing us down and overwhelming the system. I hope it dies down soon. We are deeply concerned about what will happen once schools reopen in a few weeks and all the sick kids start pouring in too.

Already starting in Georgia (many districts started Aug 2). Starting to hear inklings that a return to virtual learning is on the horizon.
 
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We were lead to believe that vaccinations would lead to the end of Covid, but now we are told that infections are rising as vaccinations are rising. And 90% of the Newsbreaks I get on my watch suggest that Covid is out of control.

Yes, except the vaccination numbers we NEED aren't there yet. I was just looking at a talking paper (from Feb of this year) that 70% is the number needed to move into the "variant booster" phase and we aren't there, yet.
 
We just spent 8 days in South Carolina and Georgia, and the people we encountered there didn’t seem too worried about COVID trends in their areas. None of the businesses except airports had mask requirements, and while we observed a few people wearing masks, the vast majority were not. Life seemed pretty much back to normal there.

Going back to CA now where it’s the extreme opposite. Proof of vaccination required to enter most indoor businesses and masks required at indoor businesses and even for some outdoor events when temperatures are well over 100 degrees.
 
I know a lot of people who had Covid in 2020. And a few who died from it. I understood the gravity of the situation back then.

But now I’m confused. I don’t know anyone who has had Covid this year. Yet my county ranks no 1 in the chicago area for cases per 100,000 people. I have to mask up, wait in the parking lot, and get temp taken when I go to the doctor, yet nobody is wearing masks in restaurants. I took a tour bus where masks were required when the bus was moving, but not when the bus stopped. There is no consistency in required/ suggested safety measures.

We were lead to believe that vaccinations would lead to the end of Covid, but now we are told that infections are rising as vaccinations are rising. And 90% of the Newsbreaks I get on my watch suggest that Covid is out of control.

We can look at all of the news and statistics and not arrive at a consensus on the severity of Covid. Im not going to try to figure it out. I’ll just stay as safe while trying to lead a normal life and let the chips fall where they may.



The problem is that the delta variant can easily infect people who are vaccinated and vaccinated people shed the same amount of virus as the unvaccinated, albeit for far fewer days. Vaccination also largely prevents serious illness and death.

One cannot gauge the severity of the pandemic based on the number of people you personally know who have had an infection, any more than one can measure the severity of forest fires based on the ones you’ve personally seen.

I suspect that with home test kits and with more people mildly ill, Covid-19 infections numbers are probably much higher than reported.

Masking up at the doctor’s office makes sense, since sick people go to the doctor, a potential concentration point for Covid-19, and, to prevent medical staff from illness. Avoiding indoor dining is a behavior I choose because going to indoor bars and restaurants unmasked is a high risk behavior during a pandemic, and completely unnecessary to my health and happiness.

If I choose not to wear a seatbelt, it endangers only me, whereas if I choose not to social distance, wear a mask, or get vaccinated, I endanger others as well, especially those I love.

Every day there are decisions to be made that may increase or decrease my risks in life. There are activities that I choose to do that carry some risk of catching Covid and there are activities that I choose not to do, due to that same risk. I started going to the gym in May, but stopped again and returned to doing some exercise at home until this wave passes. I participate in band practice, masked, due to an upcoming outdoor concert, because we cannot rehearse without being there. That is a risk, but my absence affects the band negatively. Outside of that activity, I’m either at home, outside near no one, or masked. I plan to travel across the country to a wedding next month. To mitigate risk, we will wear N95 masks on the plane and are traveling first class. To reduce financial risk, we purchased trip insurance.

This group of daily decisions and contemplating the risks and benefits of each activity is what is commonly known as “worrying”. I don’t “worry” about whether or not to wear a seatbelt or obey traffic laws. That’s already decided.

Please don’t criticize others for “worrying”. We all have to contemplate the potential consequences of our activity choices in the face of others around us who are making poor behavioral choices (not masking, not distancing when possible, refusing to get vaccinated). Right now, these three behaviors are all we can do to mitigate ongoing viral spread.
 
I know a lot of people who had Covid in 2020. And a few who died from it. I understood the gravity of the situation back then.

But now I’m confused. I don’t know anyone who has had Covid this year. Yet my county ranks no 1 in the chicago area for cases per 100,000 people. I have to mask up, wait in the parking lot, and get temp taken when I go to the doctor, yet nobody is wearing masks in restaurants. I took a tour bus where masks were required when the bus was moving, but not when the bus stopped. There is no consistency in required/ suggested safety measures.

We were lead to believe that vaccinations would lead to the end of Covid, but now we are told that infections are rising as vaccinations are rising. And 90% of the Newsbreaks I get on my watch suggest that Covid is out of control.

We can look at all of the news and statistics and not arrive at a consensus on the severity of Covid. Im not going to try to figure it out. I’ll just stay as safe while trying to lead a normal life and let the chips fall where they may.

1. Bunching. It appears that socially people with same vaccination status group, including age ranges.

2. This delta variant is so much more contagious that it has infected a lot of people very fast and thus hit the hospitals really hard due to sheer volume plus large numbers of unvaccinated still in the US. So yes, it’s blazing out of control in areas of the US.

The vaccine:
Delta impact would have been lower with a lot more vaccinated people (adults and teens) in the US, however in spite of that there is still a large segment of children who are ineligible to be vaccinated. And delta is so much more contagious it requires a higher threshold of population vaccinated to prevent spread. Unfortunately children readily catch and spread the delta variant.

Patience - to get enough people vaccinated to significantly reduce the effects of covid (I didn’t say eradicate as that is probably impossible), and note that this has to be worldwide, will take years. It’s just the way it is. Meanwhile we battle variants, try to come up with better therapeutics, more vaccine options, and keep trying to get people vaccinated.

For those who are frustrated that this wasn’t all resolved much more quickly - what can I say?
 
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It's very much two stories, and indicative of bubbles and social structures that might not even be obvious to most of us. This time it does appear to be very "spot" driven with massive peaks in some areas - showing at the state level but it's really a county/city/neighborhood story at this point.

In my area most people (80-90%) have returned to indoor masking at grocery stores, restaurants, even Costco, even though there's no firm requirement. But if I drive just 90 minutes north or west, I know that will drop to well under 50%, which is how it was in early spring and late fall.

I only know a couple of people personally who had it: One, my teen nephew who was more "normal" in his social interactions, near-zero symptoms, and my sister's BIL whose office stayed open and was client-facing. He's 48, normal weight and heath, yet spent a month in the hospital. No known Delta folks yet but my circle remains pretty small.
 
2. This delta variant is so much more contagious that it has infected a lot of people very fast and thus hit the hospitals really hard due to sheer volume plus large numbers of unvaccinated still in the US. So yes, it’s blazing out of control in areas of the US.

The vaccine:
Delta impact would have been lower with a lot more vaccinated people (adults and teens) in the US, however in spite of that there is still a large segment of children who are ineligible to be vaccinated. And delta is so much more contagious it requires a higher threshold of population vaccinated to prevent spread. Unfortunately children readily catch and spread the delta variant.

Patience - to get enough people vaccinated to significantly reduce the effects of covid (I didn’t say eradicate as that is probably impossible), and note that this has to be worldwide, will take years. It’s just the way it is. Meanwhile we battle variants, try to come up with better therapeutics, more vaccine options, and keep trying to get people vaccinated.

For those who are frustrated that this wasn’t all resolved much more quickly - what can I say?

The text above that is bolded, italicized and underlined is exactly the rhetoric that is generated by people with an agenda. Quantify those statements. It would be similar to saying on a ER board like this that "I have a lot of money in my 401k". How much? "A lot". In the rare instances that I can find actual numbers regarding covid, vaccination rates and delta variant I don't feel that the sky is falling. I still see (in the numbers) comorbidities as the largest factor in determining the serverity of covid. Using phrases like "a lot", "higher", "much more", "very fast", etc... does not help the conversation in my opinion.
 
The problem is that the delta variant can easily infect people who are vaccinated and vaccinated people shed the same amount of virus as the unvaccinated, albeit for far fewer days. Vaccination also largely prevents serious illness and death.

One cannot gauge the severity of the pandemic based on the number of people you personally know who have had an infection, any more than one can measure the severity of forest fires based on the ones you’ve personally seen.

I suspect that with home test kits and with more people mildly ill, Covid-19 infections numbers are probably much higher than reported.

Masking up at the doctor’s office makes sense, since sick people go to the doctor, a potential concentration point for Covid-19, and, to prevent medical staff from illness. Avoiding indoor dining is a behavior I choose because going to indoor bars and restaurants unmasked is a high risk behavior during a pandemic, and completely unnecessary to my health and happiness.

If I choose not to wear a seatbelt, it endangers only me, whereas if I choose not to social distance, wear a mask, or get vaccinated, I endanger others as well, especially those I love.

Every day there are decisions to be made that may increase or decrease my risks in life. There are activities that I choose to do that carry some risk of catching Covid and there are activities that I choose not to do, due to that same risk. I started going to the gym in May, but stopped again and returned to doing some exercise at home until this wave passes. I participate in band practice, masked, due to an upcoming outdoor concert, because we cannot rehearse without being there. That is a risk, but my absence affects the band negatively. Outside of that activity, I’m either at home, outside near no one, or masked. I plan to travel across the country to a wedding next month. To mitigate risk, we will wear N95 masks on the plane and are traveling first class. To reduce financial risk, we purchased trip insurance.

This group of daily decisions and contemplating the risks and benefits of each activity is what is commonly known as “worrying”. I don’t “worry” about whether or not to wear a seatbelt or obey traffic laws. That’s already decided.

Please don’t criticize others for “worrying”. We all have to contemplate the potential consequences of our activity choices in the face of others around us who are making poor behavioral choices (not masking, not distancing when possible, refusing to get vaccinated). Right now, these three behaviors are all we can do to mitigate ongoing viral spread.

EastWest Gal, this is an excellent post, one of the best I have read and I agree 100%. Thank you so much for posting.
 
The media amplify bad news and provide little perspective. Focusing on case counts as if every one represents serious disease or death misrepresents the facts and overstates risk. This coverage has badly skewed our understanding of the risks and mortality of Covid.

I think blaming the media is a red herring and worn old excuse that doesn’t contribute to the discussion.

The member posts here are all based on reports, information and data sourced from specialized medical, scientific and public health sources. Most of it has been peer reviewed and meets standards far more demanding than any general media. The information presented and discussed here has been filtered by specialists and professionals in their fields. That doesn’t mean it is without fault or error, but it is definitely the best available. This specialized media is the backbone of our COVID thread discussions.

Cable news hyperbole and outrage exists but is not part of our COVID thread discussions. The media as a whipping boy is a distraction that has little relevance to our forum discussions on COVID, what we see, how it may affect us, and how we should act.

I suggest we drop the continuous criticism of reports that aren’t even part of our discussion and focus our attention on the hard data and information that is presented for discussion in these threads. That’s what makes these threads useful.
 
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EW gal. I'm interested in your comment that the vaxxed and unvaxxed with Delta shed the same amount of virus , with the vaxxed shedding fewer days.


I'm seen your statement and I've seen some that say the complete opposite. How did/do they determine which case is correct?
 
The text above that is bolded, italicized and underlined is exactly the rhetoric that is generated by people with an agenda. Quantify those statements. It would be similar to saying on a ER board like this that "I have a lot of money in my 401k". How much? "A lot". In the rare instances that I can find actual numbers regarding covid, vaccination rates and delta variant I don't feel that the sky is falling. I still see (in the numbers) comorbidities as the largest factor in determining the serverity of covid. Using phrases like "a lot", "higher", "much more", "very fast", etc... does not help the conversation in my opinion.
I see. I suppose everybody has an agenda. IMO given what’s happened with delta so far my comments are correct and perfectly justified. I was replying to a poster who was essentially asking what’s the big change and why didn’t the new vaccines solve everything already?
 
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That old saying don't believe everything your hear, read and such couldn't be more true when is comes to Covid. But that's always been true about everything.





Just give me information and "first hand" accounts that you know are true. I don't want hear the friend of a friend of my old neighbor said this happened.


And I really don't want to read people arguing about said friend.


My only agenda is I don't want to catch Covid.
 
I see. I suppose everybody has an agenda. IMO given what’s happened with delta so far my comments are correct and perfectly justified. I was replying to a poster who was essentially asking what’s the big change and why didn’t the new vaccines solve everything already?

You may be right, but I believe that we are being bombarded with unending negative news and stats (may or may not be true) in an effort to promote the vaccine.
 
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