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My immune system is very robust
What test did you take to find that out and what was the score?
My immune system is very robust
Depends on how you define long term. I personally don't think we have gotten anywhere *close* to knowing what long term effects of the virus or vaccines could be.
When doing any kind of risk assessment, even with access to all available data, there will always be the consistent variable of "we don't know what we don't know."
Is there a possibility that these vaccines can cause long term organ damage or neurological issues in a small subset of people? We don't know. We do know, based on the existing VAERS data that some people have experienced adverse effects in the short term post vaccination, including blood clots, anaphylactic shock and even death. What are the risk factors and what could be the root cause?
Is there a possibility that enabling the body to recognize the Sars-CoV-2 spike protein could potentially interfere with future treatments that may be necessary to fight a variant or another type of deadly virus or pathogen? Impossible to know.
I'm not saying any of these risks are likely or particularly high for the general population, but we have to acknowledge that there are unknowns and prudent people should always consider this before making personal decisions affecting their health.
Depends on how you define long term. I personally don't think we have gotten anywhere *close* to knowing what long term effects of the virus or vaccines could be.
For people who need to be out and about and exposed to the general population, I don't disagree. For now, our risks of coming across an infected person are extremely low since we are staying home and accepting no guests.
That's a fun way to live. Ever watch the Walking Dead, somehow they always get taken out by a zombie, no matter how careful they are.
Long term organ damage..oh my goodness, we get it you don't want one, but please quit making stuff up.
One of my Covid buddies has an 18 month old long hauler. Got it at three months. Developmentally delayed - still not talking - and lots of health problems that baffle the pediatricians. Never tested, so Covid is not considered. There are multiple support groups devoted to children with long Covid. Yeah, let's sentence small children to this living hell.
It seems to me there is a simple solution -- pay people to get the vaccine. It might only take $100 per shot to get many people to take the vaccine. It would cost the government some money in the sort run but there would be a huge savings in the long run. At my mother's CCRC 95% of the staff got the vaccine after small bonuses were offered to those who got vaccinated. There are a few people who will not get the shot no matter what you offer them, but I think many people are just lazy and need a little incentive.
Lot's of pharmaceuticals have later been pulled from the market after adverse long term affects have been recognized. It would be foolish to completely disregard the possibility, even if the risk may small.
Sounds like the way many folks even within our community here lived for a year or so until the vaccine finally got available. Seems do-oable for many if one wants to avoid unexpected effects of a new vaccine.
Yes, currently we just don’t know. “Experts” give their best thoughts on the matter but the data has not had time to develop yet. Heck, still studying possible short term impacts of the vaccine. Just recently, I read the Israelis are checking if some heat inflammation cases may be related to the vaccine. Doesn’t seem to impact a lot of people yet but it may be that people with specific characteristics are vulnerable. Again there is a lot of things we don’t know so I respect those who choose different paths.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...le-who-received-pfizer-covid-shot-2021-04-25/
Lot's of pharmaceuticals have later been pulled from the market after adverse long term affects have been recognized. It would be foolish to completely disregard the possibility, even if the risk may small.
Ivinsfan - Your overtly judgemental comments could be easily perceived as arrogant, unnecessary and condescending. If you read my comments carefully, you will see that I have not attacked anyone here or passed judgements on anyone's personal choices regarding their health. I hope you will one day come around to accepting that everyone has their own philosophical positions on life, perspectives on science, data and medical treatments, personal history and methods for weighing risks.
Old "news" that has already been debunked.
I think it would be better to pay people every year, who have already gotten the vaccine, and get the probable yearly boosters. Why not reward good for society behavior.
No sense in rewarding those who are not helping the common good.
People who waited and are not tempted by free donuts and travel to other countries could simply be waiting for bigger rewards.
Doesn't appear "debunked" yet from what I'm reading. But assume it is. Blood clotting, heart inflammation are being studied and may get "debunked" ....... .. what will be the "new news" next week / month that no one expected to come because they disregard any possible long term effects. And maybe that "new news" will turn out to be a big problem. Just saying, we have lots of very confident folks here claiming one decision or another is the right one and being quite disrespectful to the decisions others have made with perfectly good reason. I choose not to be one of those people.
Old "news" that has already been debunked.
Do you have a link for this? I would like to read it. Thanks!
Read the link....
I'm not sure what you mean here but calling this suffering child a Covid long hauler just muddies the water and doesn't help anyone. Since there was no Covid test this sounds like a slowly developing genetic issue as much as it does Covid. I'll keep this poor family in my thoughts.
People everywhere are at risk for long haul Covid. You know who doesn't seem to be at risk for long haul Covid, fully vaccinated people. Based on some of the "reasoning" I'm seeing here we have a way to go to wake people up.
Dad brought it home from a business trip. He had it, mom had it and is a long hauler, grandma too. Baby got sick at the same time, in February 2020, no testing available. Dad recovered and has antibodies.
There are Facebook groups and others devoted to Long Covid kids. Search Twitter and Facebook. Kids are not exempt.
So you are convinced you can avoid having any novel virus invade your body for as long as it takes.