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How does that reduce congestion in NYC?
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Here’s an interesting article on the congestion toll. About 900k vehicles enter the central business district daily, the expectation is a reduction of 17%, which is a meaningful reduction. https://www.scientificamerican.com/...cles enter the,Brooklyn, Queens or New Jersey.So, now I'm wondering: who exactly are we taking off the road?
We have the rich who don't care, taxis and delivery people who don't have a choice, the folks in the middle who already don't drive because the parking is $200 a day, and the (discount rate) low-income who can't afford a car. No one says "hey let's take a joy ride and go sightseeing down Broadway this afternoon"
After all that, what percentage/demographic do we expect to change their ways? Or is this just really about revenue?
Here’s an interesting article on the congestion toll. About 900k vehicles enter the central business district daily, the expectation is a reduction of 17%, which is a meaningful reduction. https://www.scientificamerican.com/...cles enter the,Brooklyn, Queens or New Jersey.
When Mayor Bloomberg was first elected he made it clear he thought only commercial vehicles should enter, no personal vehicles at all.
Here’s an interesting article on the congestion toll. About 900k vehicles enter the central business district daily, the expectation is a reduction of 17%, which is a meaningful reduction.
I miss the good old days when paying for toll and parking was as simple as reaching into my pocket and dumping in some coins in a meter.
can governments charge you to use tax payer funded roadways anyway they see fit?
How does that reduce congestion in NYC?
This is why we have trains. So you can park way out in the suburbs and take the train in.
If those people you are thinking of would be parking in the inner suburbs or just outside midtown (where parking is WAAAAAY more than $15, probably per hour even), they must be driving from somewhere further out, so they would still be making most of the same drive as before, just ending it earlier to take public transit. That's not more traffic in the outer areas, just maybe more parking (which is still $$). And as Gumby said, that's the point of public transit.One the untended consequences that may happen is that other parts of Manhattan (as well are parts of Brooklyn and Queens that are close subway rides to Manhattan) will now be absorbing the traffic that doe snot want to pay the congestion toll. A lot of folks who work south of 60th street might just now drive to those other locations to park, then take the subway in.
You may reduce the congestion in the toll area, but are those other close in areas ready to absorb additional traffic? I am not sure, as those places tend to be somewhat crowded already.
I understand the reason for congestion pricing, I am not arguing that. I am simply saying that, with these types of things, there are always unintended consequences that are either ignored or not thought about. It is more likely that the result will see an expansion of the congestion pricing area.
I absolutely agree. Just like London's expansion of its congestion zone. It has been expanded at least once, if not twice (not sure), and there is always talk of another expansion.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and I have to say that I've hardly ever seen any need to drive to anything in Manhattan. The subway system always met my needs, and I seriously doubt that I would ever have benefited from driving simply due to the extra time needed to find a parking space.
Wow.We concur.
We don't own a smart-phone and we are finding ourselves staying away from cities due to the inability to pay for parking without a phone.
I've read that over 90% of Americans surveyed have smartphones, so there are still quite a few that don't. Someone else just recently started a thread about transferring pictures from a flip phone.Wow.
So you're saying that reasonably intelligent people exist who don't actually have smartphones?
So how do you get into a major league ballpark or other big event venue nowadays?